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Per Salon (and scooped from Raw Story), Republicans will suppress the vote in 6 states this November.

Those states can expect turmoil on election day with all-out efforts underway to harass minorities, purge voter databases, criminalize registration drives, etc. etc. etc.

Basically, after ignoring Democrats' efforts to create a federal uniform voting standard, Republicans are counting on their normal neo-fascist tactics to win again.

The anti-democratic Republican goons will claim to be authenticating the election and whatnot but they know damn well that some minority voters, particularly elderly black voters, can't produce "valid" ID, despite having several other methods of identifying themselves as valid American voters.

In this day and age, you would think that getting ID wouldn't be so hard but it is for blacks forced to be born at home due to these same racist's policies of the past, see the bottom blockquote for anecdotal evidence of this.

Republicans know all this and are using it to suppress the Democratic vote... again... just as they always have.  Their despicable history of vote suppression, their Helmsian/ Allen usage of race-baiting, their anti-democratic history SHOULD disgust every God-loving American... but these bastards get away with it EVERY DAMNED ELECTION.

First, an excerpt from the Salon article, per Raw Story link below:

But Steele's plight has gotten relatively little notice from pundits and progressive activists confidently predicting a sweeping Democratic victory in November. Opinion polls show that a majority of the public wants a Democratic Congress, but whether potential voters -- black and Latino voters in particular -- will be able to make their voices heard on Election Day is not assured. Across the country, they will have to contend with Republican-sponsored schemes to limit voting. In a series of laws passed since the 2004 elections, Republican legislators and officials have come up with measures to suppress the turnout of traditional Democratic voting blocs. This fall the favored GOP techniques are new photo I.D. laws, the criminalizing of voter registration drives, and database purges that have disqualified up to 40 percent of newly registered voters from voting in such jurisdictions as Los Angeles County.

"States that are hostile to voting rights have -- intentionally or unintentionally -- created laws or regulations that prevent people from registering, staying on the rolls, or casting a ballot that counts," observes Michael Slater, the election administration specialist for Project Vote, a leading voter registration and voting rights group. And with roughly a quarter of the country's election districts having adopted new voting equipment in the past two years alone, there's a growing prospect that ill-informed election officials, balky machines and restrictive new voting rules could produce a "perfect storm" of fiascos in states such as Ohio, Florida, Arizona and others that have a legacy of voting rights restrictions or chaotic elections. "People with malicious intent can gum up the works and cause an Election Day meltdown," Steele says.

There is rarely hard proof of the Republicans' real agenda. One of the few public declarations of their intent came in 2004, when then state Rep. John Pappageorge of Michigan, who's now running for a state Senate seat, was quoted by the Detroit Free Press: "If we do not suppress the Detroit [read: black ] vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election cycle."

For the 2006 elections, with the control of the House and the Senate in the balance, Salon has selected six states with the most serious potential for vote suppression and the greatest potential for affecting the outcome of key races. In nearly every case, the voter-suppression techniques have been implemented since 2004 by Republican legislators or officials; only one state has a Democratic secretary of state, and only one has a Democratic-controlled legislature.

And here's Raw Story's summation:

After votes were suppressed in Florida and Ohio during the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, Salon warns that four additional states could see voters prevented from casting ballots, with the greatest impact felt by Democratic candidates.

The report shows business as usual in Ohio where gubernatorial candidate and current Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has pushed regulations working to hinder voter registration efforts in the state. Similar efforts are afoot in Florida, as well as new authority for partisan pollwatchers to challenge the registration of individual voters.

But it is in four new states where Salon emphasizes new troubles might break out:

In Arizona, legislation that requires proof of citizenship to vote is taking a toll beyond the illegal immigrants it seeks to keep out of polling places.

In Indiana, difficulties in securing state identification have complicated the ability of many to register to vote.

In California, problems have been identified with electronic voting machines, and the consolidation of statewide voter registration lists is being used to bar voters from the rolls.

In Missouri, rigid ID laws for voters are seen to be targeting minority voters likely to vote against Republicans.

http://www.rawstory.com/...

And here is the anecdotal evidence I looked up:

Ruth White finally has her passport, so she doesn't have to worry about Georgia's highly restrictive new rules for voting. But it was no simple task. Since White doesn't have a birth certificate, she didn't come by a passport easily.

White, 84, was born at home in Asheville, N.C. She says she wrote the state's Bureau of Vital Statistics several times to get a copy of her birth certificate, but the office finally told her there was no record of her birth. She then called the school records office in Washington, D.C., where she spent her childhood.

"Fortunately, the person who answered just happened to be the daughter of a very good friend of mine. So she sent the school records, which show my birth date," White said.

With that and $97 she was able to get her passport through an expedited process last November.

White was highly motivated. Her grandson was getting married in Jamaica, and she wanted to be able to attend. Besides, her daughter, Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin, was on the ballot for re-election on Nov. 8, and she wanted to vote for her.

But White was annoyed by the hassle, she said. At the post office where she filled out her passport application, she vented her frustration loudly enough for others to hear.

"I said, 'I was born in this country, I have been a citizen for 84 years, I have voted since I was old enough, and here they are worrying me to death about some ID in this state of Georgia.' Some people laughed, but, you know, at my age, sometimes you just let loose."

If White, a retired schoolteacher, were less educated or less persistent, she may never have acquired the documents that allow her to vote under Georgia's new law. While Gov. Sonny Perdue and his GOP colleagues recently passed a new version of the bill that they expect to pass court muster Ñ it makes the photo IDs free of charge Ñ it doesn't make the process any simpler for many elderly Georgians. (The GOP-dominated Legislature passed a very similar voter ID law last year, but a federal judge ruled that the law likely constitutes an unconstitutional poll tax.)

That's no doubt what the backers of the bill intended to discourage voters who would likely cast ballots for Democrats. Perdue and his Republican allies insist the law is merely an effort to prevent voter fraud, but that claim is laughable. As Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter Alan Judd recently pointed out in a detailed story, most allegations of voting irregularities involve absentee ballots. And the new law makes it easier to cheat using an absentee ballot.

http://www.ajc.com/...

It would indeed be laughable if democracy in America weren't at stake.

Originally posted to a gnostic on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:35 AM PDT.

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  •  All Democrats Must Stand Up and Debate (9+ / 0-)

    whether this represents some kind of disappointment or not.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:29:40 AM PDT

    •  And Scold Any Democrats Who Play Politics With (0+ / 0-)

      this issue which clearly is a problem on both sides of the isle.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:21:15 PM PDT

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  •  Where's Kerry? (34+ / 0-)

    I remember when Kerry conceded to Bush, even though Ohio was stolen and Kerry won the election, that Kerry took the pressure off himself by retreating to "election reform". After the election, he said that "election reform" would be his highest priority. But where's the reform? It's two years later, that loser has been sitting in his incumbent Senate seat, and nothing has changed. Now we're looking at even worse election frauds this November, and Kerry is still collecting his (payraised) Senate paycheck.

    Someone convince me that Kerry isn't in on Bush's election frauds. It's going to be tough, but I want to believe. And Kerry isn't doing anything to help.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:31:04 AM PDT

    •  Where's Edwards? Clinton? Bayh? Feingold? (28+ / 0-)

      Curious that you only single out Kerry here. Perhaps you have an agenda to pursue. It is the responsibility of the entire Democratic Party to take this on as an issue, not just Kerry. (Unless, of course, you did this intentionally to just smear one person. Interesting tactic to use, given the subject of the post.)

      And this is what Kerry said in July when he spoke about the Voting Rights Act's renewal in the Senate.

      By reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act, we are taking an important step, but, Mr. President, it is only a step. Nobody should pretend that reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act solves the problems of being able to vote in our own country. It doesn't. In recent elections, we have seen too many times how outcomes change when votes that have been cast are not counted or when voters themselves are prevented from voting or intimidated from even registering or when they register, as we found in a couple of States, their registration forms are put in the wastebasket instead of into the computers.

        This has to end. Every eligible voter in the United States ought to be able to cast his or her ballot without fear, without intimidation, and with the knowledge that their voice will be heard. These are the foundations of our democracy, and we have to pay more attention to it.

        For a lot of folks in the Congress, this is a very personal fight. Some of our colleagues in the House and Senate were here when this fight first took place or they took part in this fight out in the streets. Without the courage of someone such as Congressman JOHN LEWIS who almost lost his life marching across that bridge in Selma, whose actions are seared in our minds, who remembers what it was like to march to move a nation to a better place, who knows what it meant to put his life on the line for voting rights, this is personal.

        For somebody like my colleague, Senator TED KENNEDY, the senior Senator from Massachusetts, who was here in the great fight on this Senate floor in 1965 when they broke the back of resistance, this is personal.

        We wouldn't even have this landmark legislation today if it weren't for their efforts to try to make certain that it passed.

        But despite the great strides we have taken since this bill was originally enacted, we have a lot of work to do.

        Mr. President, I ask for an additional 5 minutes.

        The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.

        Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, on this particular component of the bill, there is agreement. Republicans and Democrats can agree. I was really pleased that every attempt in the House of Representatives to weaken the Voting Rights Act was rejected.

        We need to reauthorize these three critical components especially: The section 5 preclearance provisions that get the Justice Department to oversee an area that has a historical pattern of discrimination that they can't change how people vote without clearance. That seems reasonable.

        There are bilingual assistance requirements. Why? Because people need it and it makes sense. They are American citizens, but they still may have difficulties in understanding the ballot, and we ought to provide that assistance so they have a fully informed vote. This is supposed to be an informed democracy, a democracy based on the real consent of the American people.

        And finally, authorization for poll watching. Regrettably, we have seen in place after place in America why we need to have poll watching.

        A simple question could be asked: Where would the citizens of Georgia be, particularly low-income and minority citizens, if they were required to produce a government-issued identification or pay $20 every 5 years in order to vote? That is what would have happened without section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. Georgia would have successfully imposed what the judge in the case called ``a Jim Crow-era like poll tax.'' I don't think anybody here wants to go back and flirt with the possibility of returning to a time when States charged people money to exercise their right to vote. That is not our America.
        This morning, President Bush addressed the 97th Annual Convention of the NAACP after a 5-year absence. I am pleased that the President, as we all are, ended his boycott of the NAACP and announced his intention to sign the Voting Rights Act into law.

        But we need to complete the job. There are too many stories all across this country of people who say they registered duly, they reported to vote, and they were made to stand in one line or another line and get an excuse why, when they get to the end of the line, they can't vote. So they take out a provisional ballot, and then there are fights over provisional ballots.

        There are ways for us to avoid that. Some States allow same-day registration. In some parts of America, you can just walk up the day of an election, register, and vote, as long as you can prove your residence.

        We have this incredible patchwork of laws and rules, and in the process, it is even more confusing for Americans. We need to fully fund the Help America Vote Act so that we have the machines in place, so that people are informed, so that there is no one in America who waits an undue amount of time in order to be able to cast a vote.

        We have to pass the Count Every Vote Act that Senator Clinton, Senator Boxer, and I have introduced which ensures exactly what the Senator from Oregon was talking about: that every voter in America has a verifiable paper trail for their vote. How can we have a system where you can touch a screen and even after you touch the name of one candidate on the screen, the other candidate's name comes up, and if you are not attentive to what you have done and you just go in, touch the screen, push ``select,'' you voted for someone else and didn't intend to? How can we have a system like that?

        How can we have a system where the voting machines are proprietary to a private business so that the public sector has no way of verifying what the computer code is and whether or not it is accountable and fair? Just accounting for it.

        Congress has to ensure that every vote cast in America is counted, that every precinct in America has a fair distribution of voting machines, that voter suppression and intimidation are un-American and must cease.

        We had examples in the last election of people who were sent notices--obviously fake, but they were sent them and they confused them enough. They were told that if you have an outstanding parking ticket, you can't vote. They were told: Democrats vote on Wednesday and Republicans vote on Tuesday and various different things.

        It is important for us to guarantee that in the United States of America, this right that was fought for so hard through so much of the difficult history of our country, we finally make real the full measure of that right.

      •  Anytime any Presidential wannabee (8+ / 0-)

        wants to say something about this, anytime...

      •  What Has Kerry DONE? (4+ / 0-)
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        Gee, what makes Kerry different from those other senators? Hmm, I know I heard of Kerry before... he's that guy who ran for president last time and conceded with whining about "election reform" after it was stolen from him.

        That makes him different from those other senators. It makes him different from Edwards, too, because Edwards didn't make a big noise about "election reform", and Edwards wasn't the presidential candidate.

        As I said in my post. As everyone knows. But to you, it's all just an excuse to post some empty words from Kerry. Taking credit for a Voting Rights act while doing nothing to defend our rights, even when he's the poster boy for election fraud.

        Wake me when Kerry does something that doesn't just collect on his sense of entitlement. That goes beyond what ordinary senators do. That are appropriate to his 2004 loss to election fraud. Don't bother whining to me with implications that I'm "smearing" Kerry. He doesn't need any of my help, and your hero worship of him just makes him look worse.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:24:35 AM PDT

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        •  Wake me when you actually give a damn about this (3+ / 0-)
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          and care about it as an issue that has to be faced by all of the Democratic establishment in order to bring about change.  

          It's not really just an issue that you can use to slap around people that you don't like.  You know, people have died for this right, people are dying right now overseas, at least nominally, for this right to vote.

          And you use it as a single-issue to smash one guy you don't like. No advocacy for the Democratic Party to take this on, no advocacy for other potential '08 candidates to take this on. Just a vendetta against Kerry.  How utterly and completely sad and pathetic.  No wonder it's so hard to get people interesting in this. We sound like it's our side that's at fault, and not the ones who actually did the fraud or are trying to prevent registrations.

          Nice work. Let me know when you get serious about this.  Then maybe we can talk.

          •  Damn Your Daydreams (0+ / 0-)

            You're a clown. I ask what Kerry has done about the single most important issue to him, as he himself claimed. You tell me I can't hold him to account because I'm not holding others to account in that post.

            I voted for Kerry. I didn't dislike him until he disappointed me. I criticize him for saying he'd do something about the election fraud, then not doing anything.

            Your pronouncement on my seriousness means nothing. Your offers to talk while you bloviate hold no attraction. You're so attached to Kerry that you're attacking me for legitimate criticism. You try some insane guilt trip about "people have died for this right", when I am the one demanding action from Kerry, and you are spouting BS to defend his inaction. You are not even a joke - you are a sad, twisted clown.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:55:39 AM PDT

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        •  What makes him different... (0+ / 0-)

          he has actually cosponsored legislation to resolve these issues.

          Look them up at thomas. You'll find 4-5 cosponsors on each election reform bill.

          Four or five.

          That's how many Senators will stand with Kerry on election reform.

          Go ahead and keep asking why Kerry isn't "doing something" if you still can't see reality. Your asking Kerry isn't going to get those other Senators to sign on, though.

          •  Not Different Enough (0+ / 0-)

            Cosponsoring failed bills that even Democrats won't sign isn't doing much. Kerry got 50M people to vote him into the White House, but he can't get fellow Senators to protect elections, including their own? He's a loser.

            I don't care if it's "not fair", or it's "too hard" or it's "the other Democrats' fault". Kerry wanted to be President of the United States. If he can't do anything more than symbolic bill sponsorship, he's a failure. I measure value by results. Kerry might be a sweet guy, but he's not much good where he counts.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:11:03 PM PDT

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      •  Talk is cheap (0+ / 0-)

        So what! Kerry made another long winded speech nobody bothered to even listen too. What has he and the other BIG Demo senators and congressmen done to STOP what the GOP is doing? Have they amended HAVA or is it still essentially The Help America Vote (Repub.) Act? Have they called the GOP on it's drive to purge voter rolls everywhere with GOP dominated computer companies and has it bothered to challenge Diebold and the rest of the GOP conspiracy to stop anyone but Rethugs from voting?
          The simple truth is that the GOP cannot win in fair and free elections anymore so it's destroying the system and reforming it into an almost Soviet style one right under the noses of the opposition or what's left of it. Think this hasn't been done before guess again! This is exactly how the south took away the rights of every black person after the Civil War. The GOP is creating a 2nd "Jim Crow" era for anyone or group it doesn't want voting. The 2nd Civil Rights Era will once again be about voting but this time it's not just about race but class and party.

        "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

        by Blutodog on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:31:56 AM PDT

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    •  Assuming we win in Nov (10+ / 0-)

      The house should be able to pass a uniform law.  Let’s hope the turn out is big enough to win despite the harassment.

      Do the right thing 'casue it feels better.

      by John Boy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:24:02 AM PDT

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  •  Not just these 6 states (38+ / 0-)

    They are doing it elsewhere, and folks need to be on their game, stay on top of this.

    Michigan, for example:

    -- Republican Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land is set to purge nearly 20% of folks from voter rolls, even though by state law it's not her job;

    -- Republican Attorney General Mike Cox can be counted on to get Land's back and fail to prosecute this;

    -- The bulk of massive job losses have been among manufacturing labor that tended to vote blue, with many of the recent cuts at GM-Delphi coming from among the same population.  These folks, once cut, are fleeing the state for red states where there are more jobs, and could ultimately result in a 10-20% population crash not unlike Katrina forced upon Louisiana.

    -- Republican majority in legislature has hamstrung Granholm for her entire term, although she has been fairly centrist in her position.  They are set to revoke the Single Business Tax and its 1.9 billion in revenues WITHOUT replacing the tax.  The loss of revenue will be devastating on this state's schools and on any persons needed state services.

    They are purging this state with a slow-moving hurricane in the form of economic disaster, punctuated with crap like that the SoS is pulling.

    Add highly localized problems with tabulator software (Yeah, Sequoia, we are on to you and your bullsh*t) and we have a massive problem in a state that currently has 17 electoral votes.  Where do those votes go if the population crashes because Republican legislature suffocated this state?

  •  bring out the lawyers (30+ / 0-)

    In the days before the 2004 election, some groups collected the contact information for a lot of supporters who were lawyers in order to be prepared to mount challenges to voter indimidation/harassment.  Shouldn't this start now?

    Talk doesn't cook rice.

    by sophiebrown on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:37:53 AM PDT

    •  People for the American Way (20+ / 0-)

      They also organized huge groups of poll watchers who were on hand to assist citizens who experienced any trouble with voting; many of them were lawyers. (And PFAW has continued to champion voting rights issues whenever cases like the GA voter ID bill surface.)  

      I hope they'll do it again. I volunteered with them in AZ. Sometimes just the presence of poll watchers alone can make a difference.

      Gonna be a judgment, that's a fact. A righteous train rollin' down this track . . . -- Bruce Springsteen

      by saucy monkey on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:03:56 AM PDT

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      •  We need to have (9+ / 0-)

        citizen video cams all over.  I am thinking I will stake out one of our larger polling stations and film at least half the day.  Exposure and a way to intimidate those who would seek to stymie the voting.

        "Do you want to tumble? Let's tumble." Stephen Colbert

        by tobendaro on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:41:22 AM PDT

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        •  Highly recommended (5+ / 0-)

          And YouTube them immediately.

          "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

          by bewert on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:58:08 AM PDT

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        •  please don't do that (2+ / 0-)
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          that can be interpreted as intimidation. That's a really bad idea.

          85 days, 6 Senate seats, 15 House seats, hold the rest. Let's get busy. Support Eric Massa for Congress

          by Buffalo Girl on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:12:00 AM PDT

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          •  Why is it a bad idea? (0+ / 0-)

            Sounds like a great idea to me.

            •  well (1+ / 0-)
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              think about walking into your polling place with some guy with a video camera taping you. Would that make you uncomfortable? What about people's privacy?  What if you felt like you had something to hide? What about in poorer neighborhoods where people are intimidated by law enforcement and the like? Would you still vote? And if it's just random people video taping, how does that help? it could cause more chaos than it's worth.  Focus on supporting and volunteering with local pollwatching efforts, call PFAW, call your local party, league of women voters, be a pollworker. Much more productive than some guerilla action.

              85 days, 6 Senate seats, 15 House seats, hold the rest. Let's get busy. Support Eric Massa for Congress

              by Buffalo Girl on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:32:44 AM PDT

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              •  This comment-thread proves the truth (12+ / 0-)

                of Stirling Newberry's take on the Salon article, which he has posted on TCMCafe today:

                The danger of suppressing the vote directly is that there is only one road open after the ballot box is closed - civil disobedience, culminating in disorder and possibly violence. It is still true that the right to vote is the fundamental right, without which people are no longer, "people" in the legal sense. The people are the sovereign electorate.

                There is some media scrutiny of the newest voter suppression tactic -- requiring voter IDs -- because it is tantamount to a poll-tax.  (Just think of the 84 year-old woman who had to shell out $97 dollars to get unimpeachable ID -- she had to be more than just determined and persistent ...she had to be flush, as well.)  Yesterday's WaPo had a prominent OpEd about this very thing, written by Jabari Asim:

                Missouri, my home state, became the third member of this notorious trio in June, when Gov. Matt Blunt signed into law a requirement that voters show government-issued photo IDs at the polls starting in November.

                Blunt and others say the law will prevent fraud. Their opponents rightly point out that the measure disproportionately affects those who have been disfranchised in the past, such as the poor and racial minorities. Besides, they argue, Missouri hasn't exactly suffered from an epidemic of imposters showing up to vote.

                As one of the lawsuits filed to block the measure puts it, "It is statistically more likely for a Missourian to be struck by a bolt of lightning than to have his or her vote canceled by someone posing as another voter to cast a ballot."

                This issue belongs in the courts, the newspapers, the legislatures, the  churches ...

                •  yes! requirement for birth cert = poll tax (3+ / 0-)

                  I am in AZ - I know some disabled and elderly folks.

                  to register to vote you now need a passport, drivers license or birth certificate.

                  These people do not have drivers licenses or passports. If they dont have their birth certificate, this translates to a poll tax.

                  for example, take New York state
                  http://www.health.state.ny.us/...

                  It costs $30 to get a copy of your birth certificate, and you are supposed to provide ID to get it!

                  and it takes 3-4 weeks to get it unless you spring for rush processing. (total cost $57)

                  Most of the people I know who are disabled and elderly dont have their own phone, let alone internet access.  They usually have no more than $100 to spend each month on all discretionary expenses. this is ridiculous!

                  We definitely need a well-funded well organized program to do this. Contact your local Dems and tell them you want the Democratic party to support this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  This should be part of GOTV!!! and it needs to start now.

                  l'shanah haba'ah bilasvegas

                  by biscobosco on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 06:09:58 PM PDT

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        •  Worked in Mexico, I believe. In fact, video (5+ / 0-)
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          recordings are providing much of the forensic evidence on which the systematically disenfranchised campaign of Andrés Manuel López Obrador is basing its factual challenge to Mexican vote fraud. And, can those citizens stand up to corrupt power or what!

          "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

          by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:11:25 AM PDT

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        •  That's a great idea! (0+ / 0-)

          Judges 15:15 "And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith."

          by grayday101 on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:35:16 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for the reminder. I'm volunteering in MD, (1+ / 0-)
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        because the damn Diebolds managed to hang on here, thanks to a suspicious decision by the Democratic chairwoman of the Maryland Legislature's Senate committee overseeing voting system implementation here.

        "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

        by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:16:23 AM PDT

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      •  I think this only helps part of the problem (4+ / 0-)
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        In 2004 I was part of a group of attorneys on call on election day to handle problems in Bloomington, Indiana--where IU is.   Students change addresses a lot, and the local Repubs made a lot of noise about challenging people, students and others.  On election day itself, we hear very few reports regarding actual problems, and I spent the day at HQ doing other things.  However, in the weeks before the election, there were lots of newspaper reports, etc. about the Republican threat... we can only guess how many people didn't come to the polls, worried about these issues.

        So the key is to start way before election day, educating out base, making sure they know what they have to do to vote, and what their rights are, so they aren't intimitated from even showing up to try to vote.

      •  More precisely, the Election Protection Coalition (1+ / 0-)
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        was involved in organizing those groups of poll watchers. As I understand it, the most active participants involved in the EPC were People For the American Way (PFAW), the Lawyers' Committee for Equal Rights Under Law (the LC), and Verified Voting (VV). Not only did the coalition organize poll watchers, but they also organized the Election Incident Reporting System (EIRS), which involved assembling a group of hotline operators and providing them with a software system on which they could record complaints and also contact the on-the-ground people (lawyers, etc.). VV built the software with input from PFAW and the LC.

        In 2004, EIRS was publicized, tens of thousands of calls were logged, and the resulting data were used by the GAO, among others. However, in 2005 (admittedly a smaller race), PFAW and the LC gave EIRS almost no publicity, and only about a hundred calls were logged.

        This year, PFAW and the LC said they would build (and presumably publicize) their own system. My advice for members of those groups: get after them and see whether they're doing their job.

        Must read: MLKJ's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail." It will surprise you.

        by AlanF on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 04:38:52 PM PDT

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    •  DNC is doing that (2+ / 0-)
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      85 days, 6 Senate seats, 15 House seats, hold the rest. Let's get busy. Support Eric Massa for Congress

      by Buffalo Girl on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:11:28 AM PDT

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  •  Advance registration requirements (31+ / 0-)

    While legal, have the effect of supressing turnout among the youngest eligible voters.

    Wisconsin and Minnesota allow registration at the polls, and not coincidentally have the top turnouts, both overall, and especially among 18-21 year olds.

    The at the polls registrants in downtown Madison alone provided Kerry's statewide margin of victory.

    Are dems pushing this in any State legislatures? Afraid of Primary challenges?

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    by ben masel on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:37:59 AM PDT

  •  so, is the US a 'hybrid regime' yet? (5+ / 0-)

    See Larry Diamond's Thinking About Hybrid Regimes

    Enjoy reading The Proxies, a free crime thriller in short story form.

    by maynard on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:43:07 AM PDT

    •  Back in the day... (14+ / 0-)

      I did a war study of all countries for all years, from 1960-1985 (then upgraded it later on to 1960-1995), to test the impact of regime type (and, yes, I mapped changes of type from year to year) on the likelihood of countries to go to war.

      Most such studies are exclusively interested in who democracy-democracy pairs fare against nondemocracy-nondemocracy ones. Yawn. It's also theoretically uninteresting, as all it does is validate postulates that Immanuel Kant came up with in the late 18th century.

      So, I decided to code for all types of regime that I could identify:

      1. democracies
      1. three types of nondemocracy
      1. three types of limited democracy (aka hybrids)
      1. despotism, which is scarce better than anarchy with one obviously strong bully riding herd on all the rest.

      The types of limited democracy were...

      Constitutional monarchies - Not so many of these bad boys left, where a king has veto and/or significant power to influence legislation or the composition of the legislature. Morocco would be a fine example. Nepal, until recently, is another.

      Praetorian republics - Where the military has a de facto or even de jure veto on public policy via the civilian government. Turkey has for much of its modern history been such an entity.

      Dominant-partisan regimes - Mexico under the PRI is the classic example, though the Estados Unidos is pretty much the benchmark these days.

      Impact on public policy, war policy in particular

      A radical degradation in the likelihood of such countries to have peaceful relations with other regimes of similar ilk, or with democracies, or with nondemocracies.

      All three tended to exist in conditions of latent civil unrest or open civil war, which tended to justify repressive measures, which provoked more unrest, and so on, and so on.

      In my opinion, we are a dominant-partisan regime that is at risk of becoming a praetorian republic to avoid becoming a single-partisan dictatorship.

      So, we might want to win this coming election, and get America back to being a rule-of-law, representative democracy.

      I think that's a good call. :)

      Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

      by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:16:05 AM PDT

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      •  no risk of praetorian republic-- (2+ / 0-)
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        the military already has the party it wants.

        •  Not true in the least bit (7+ / 0-)

          Not when almost every Iraq War veteran running for elected office this year is running as a Democrat.

          Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

          by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:21:38 AM PDT

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          •  You're talking the grunts. (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm talking the brass.  The folks who give the orders.

            •  Perhaps you should check out the roster first (1+ / 0-)
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              Those guys running for elected office.

              Most of them are officers.

              Joe Cestak, for example, was commander of the fleet sent to bomb the yahooey out of the Taliban right after 9/11.

              Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

              by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:35:15 AM PDT

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              •  Check out the roster (2+ / 0-)
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                of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.  You can take just about everyone over the rank of one-star general/admiral and poll them as to party affiliation--overwhelmingly Republican.  Rumsfeld has seen to that.  

                Furthermore, most of the folks running for office you refer to were officers, which sort of makes my point.

                •  My point (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Enough Talk Lets Get Busy

                  Let them go and ahead and try to have their coup.

                  We've got more than enough talent on our team to make it very, very expensive for them.

                  Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

                  by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:42:27 AM PDT

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                  •  And my point is (0+ / 0-)

                    that they don't need to have a coup.  They already have what they want.

                    •  No, they do not. (3+ / 0-)

                      They are alienating the staff officers that remain, and it's a rare belief system that survives contact with the battlefield intact.

                      As for officers in the field, I have the impression that you have got no idea what you are talking about. You have units being destroyed mentally, physically and mechanically; there are mechanized units out there without working trucks, never mind armored vehicles. Soldiers in the field are having to beg back home for freaking food.

                      Do you think their officers like this? No, the ones stuck out there are getting no glory or recognition for this.

                      As for the ones being cleared out; they are among the best and the brightest in both understanding of the science and art of war and in leadership.

                      The scrubs are on the ballcourt now.

                      I wouldn't be the least afraid of them, once they finish running the U.S. military into the ground.

                      Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

                      by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:50:33 AM PDT

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                      •  sadf (0+ / 0-)

                        "They are alienating the staff officers that remain,"

                        Exactly.  Alienated officers then leave, and the sycophants and True Believers remain.

                        Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is.  Units that are underequipped and "destroyed mentally, physically and mechanically" cannot coup.  At most there could be sporadic mutinies on the ground--and far from Washington.

                        But there are plenty of units that will never leave the United States.  They don't suffer the problems you describe.

                        •  Okay, Corvo. Let's hear you out. (0+ / 0-)

                          How, exactly, is the military as an institution doing well at the moment?

                          What, with the Iraq War showcasing the power and the glory of American armed might so famously, and all.

                          Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

                          by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:34:36 AM PDT

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                          •  Our military is doing poorly. (0+ / 0-)

                            Which is my point.  How is a military being hammered halfway across the world going to stage a coup?

                          •  If THAT was your point... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...you're definitely a lot smarter than I am, because I really didn't get it at all.

                            Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

                            by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:44:16 AM PDT

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                          •  And I still don't get (0+ / 0-)

                            how you think our military would ever coup to "save the country."  At least that's what I assume you mean by "we are a dominant-partisan regime that is at risk of becoming a praetorian republic to avoid becoming a single-partisan dictatorship."

                            IMHO that's dangerous, desperate fantasizing.

                          •  No one ever said such a thing. (0+ / 0-)

                            I'm on record as warning people AWAY from such things.

                            My role in this conversation was to dispel any silliness that

                            1. there had been a military coup
                            1. there there would be
                            1. and if there was, anyway, it would go very badly for the perpetrators.

                            Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

                            by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:59:45 AM PDT

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                          •  I can come up with a scenerio... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...where the military brass (Joint Chiefs for example) engages in a coop against Bush, to "save the country".

                            Simple.

                            Bush orders them to tac-nuke Iran's nuclear facilities.  I don't think the brass would much like such an order, especially since it probably would basically start World War III.  It is conceivable (but unlikely-and such an order in the first place is fairly unlikely to begin with (although an order for a conventional attack (a bit more likely) could also result in a coop)) they would then institute a military coop, probably requiring both Bush and Cheney to be killed.  If such happens after January 2007 (and assuming the Dems retake the House this November), the coop can end there with President Pelosi (who would not issue such an order), and the officers involved can fall on thier swords and be sent to jail.  If not, the military would have to remain in control of the government indefinitely, which would make an already messy situation that much messier.

                            This is a very dangerous situation, and one that absolutely nobody should hope for (since the chances of serious, serious problems, such as The Second American Civil War, even in the fairly simple President Pelosi scenerio, are quite high).  But I can see professional military officers being unwilling to start a nuclear war, and possibly considering such problems to be favorable to such.

                          •  If Bush ordered tactical nukes (0+ / 0-)

                            on Iran, the military would comply in a heartbeat.  Especially if it's an Air Force operation.

                            I can imagine them balking at a nuke strike on a country that could retaliate in kind . . . but even then, the Air Force might just go along with it.

      •  That was a very interesting comment (0+ / 0-)

        thank you. Wish I had caught it earlier, I would have upmodded you. Don't have time for a lengthy and complete reply, but yeah. Agreed.

        Enjoy reading The Proxies, a free crime thriller in short story form.

        by maynard on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 01:47:03 PM PDT

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    •  Access restricted. Got a cached ... (0+ / 0-)

      ...link somewhere?

  •  Yup, MO is gonna be a problem (7+ / 0-)

    Not only do we now have restrictive new ID laws, but we've just also adopted diebold machines for this election cycle.

    I envisage massively long lines due to ID questions and faulty diebold equipment.

    Somewhat fortunately, you have the option of doing either DRE or opscan.  Obviously I'm going opscan due to the reported probs with the DREs.  Though I guess that still doesn't guarantee that my vote will be actually counted.

    It's gonna get ugly here in STL come November I think.

    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.

    by viget on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:44:34 AM PDT

    •  By 'ugly' (11+ / 0-)

      I hope you mean legal voters beating the fucking shit out of scumbag little GOP nazis who try to deny their right to vote.

    •  Thankfully, Diebold isn't everywhere in MO (5+ / 0-)

      but the voter suppression laws are. In St. Louis county they went with a different vendor; one with a paper trail. Let's hope one of the two lawsuits against the new law succeeds in invalidating it.

      •  You making public noise about this, or just here? (1+ / 0-)
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        What all of this requires is an actively engaged, outraged public, yelling loudly and clearly that this will not stand, demanding arrests, trials, etc. The laws need to be challenged, and folks have to be organized, mobilized, and directed to the problem.

        Simple formula: Inaction now = forced control later.

        "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting machines, and they didn't pay attention until too late." --Rove

        by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:57:51 AM PDT

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        •  Naive question here (2+ / 0-)
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          massive letter to the editor writing?? I could write to my local paper even though we might not have problems, just to get the word out there...

          Small step, but would it help?

          I want to die like my Grandfather..peacefully in my sleep. Not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car...

          by fireflynw on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:28:31 AM PDT

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          •  I don't see how it could hurt... (0+ / 0-)

            especially if your letter is concise and logical. You don't want to come across as a nut, obviously. Phrase this as a threat to "we the people"; that kind of thing.

            If you are new to writing LTEs, you could post your proposed letter here as a comment, and I'm sure people would be happy to give you some advice.

            •  We are luckier in Washington State (2+ / 0-)
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              the courts just threw out a decision that would keep people from voting if there was a tiny difference in how thier names were listed, i.e. a middle initial missing on one....

              I want to die like my Grandfather..peacefully in my sleep. Not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car...

              by fireflynw on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:13:48 PM PDT

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              •  That is good to hear (2+ / 0-)
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                For about 2 years, I had this annoying situation where my last name was misspelled (by one letter) on my voter registration card. It never stopped me from voting, whether I used my voter card or my driver's license or whatever. I tried to correct it about 4 times with the registrar's office, and finally the correction somehow went through. But that was 6 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if people in the same situation were turned away at the polls this year.

                Let's pretend it DID end up happening. I can already hear the chorus of gleeful Republican voices saying "if these people are too stupid to get the correct name on their ID, it's their own fault their vote didn't count" (shades of blaming Florida voters for not undertanding the bewildering ballots there).

        •  The laws have been challenged (0+ / 0-)

          by two separate lawsuits - the MoDems and the ACLU, I believe.

    •  Any indication as to distribution... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...of voting machines?

      I expect that each precinct in the city of St. Louis will get maybe one machine, while the Springfield/Biblethump area will get machines to spare...

      9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

      by varro on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 02:12:04 PM PDT

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      •  Voting on the machines isn't a requirement. (0+ / 0-)

        In some (maybe most) counties, voters have the option of using a Scantron ballot in lieu of the Diebold machine.  At my precinct (which, by the way, skews upper middle class and Republican), there was only one Diebold machine but most people voted on Scantrons during the primaries and there didn't seems to be many problems at all.

  •  Turn It Around (28+ / 0-)

    IMO what we need to do is turn these efforts at suppressing the vote into opportunities to register more voters.  If photo IDs are required then have massive "Democracy" rallys to expediate the process for the people.  We need to quit crying about all the shit these SOBs do and fight back, hard, all the time.  Highlight their efforts to suppress the vote and then use that to motivate the people to get their IDs and then vote.  And FTR, I am not for photo IDs but is time to use their shit against them.

    All men want to be rich. Rich men want to be king. And the king ain't satisfied till he rules everything. Springsteen

    by howd on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:47:42 AM PDT

    •  Some states have passed laws recently to make (9+ / 0-)

      what you are proposing far more difficult to do. What they do is make every one who is registering voters return the new registrations to City Hall themselves and they must sign an affadavit. If the registration doesn't match up with reality, the registerer could be on the hook for it.

      •  This is true (0+ / 0-)

        And just think for a minute about how absurd it is to place such punitive measures on those who are trying to HELP others register to vote - in a democracy! Especially since there is NO evidence at all that voter fraud is a problem, anywhere. We're totally in crazyland now.

    •  Is this: (7+ / 0-)

      Highlight their efforts to suppress the vote

      what you mean by "crying?"

      We need to quit crying about all the shit these SOBs do

      Every piece of illegal shit they pull needs to be exposed to the light of day, and loudly. If that's crying then...whaaaaah!!

      The United States of America has become One Giant Funny Farm.

      by nehark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:37:15 AM PDT

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      •  Exposed to Light of Day + Concrete Actions (7+ / 0-)

        = winning strategy.  

        Sorry, I don't mean to minimize any efforts to expose the plan, i.e. "... be exposed to the light of day, and loudly.", but rather that, in addition, we need to take concrete actions to turn the tide. My bad.

        Registration Rallys would serve two purposes.  First to expose how the Republicans are trying to make it more difficult for Americans to practice democracy and second it gets more people registered, motivated AND INVESTED in taking part in our democracy.  If indeed, a rally to get the voters their required IDs for registration would have difficulties due to the new registration laws, then that could be use even more effectively to expose the real purpose of the Republican laws.  

        All men want to be rich. Rich men want to be king. And the king ain't satisfied till he rules everything. Springsteen

        by howd on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:15:21 AM PDT

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    •  This is the right response. (7+ / 0-)

      It's been a twistedly brilliant jiujitsu move on the Republicans' part:  pushing the meme of "voter fraud" over "election fraud."  People know something's wrong in the voter booths, but they don't scrutinize it closely enough, and because the two things sound so much alike, pretty soon you have everyone believing that the problem is the opposite of what it actually is:  apparently, it's not the systemic disenfranchisement of voters, but the voters' own abuse of the electoral system.

      So we need to be loud and obnoxious about what this really is.  After all, when you hold up the two efforts to the light of day, it looks a lot better to try to get more voters on the rolls than less.

      ...Well, having said that, I should add that perhaps in a climate of fear and xenophobia, less voters looks like the more appetizing notion to many people.  You let 84-year old black women on the rolls, pretty soon you'll be enfranchizing child molesters, criminal felons, terrorists... [/snark]

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:48:47 AM PDT

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  •  Here he comes to save the day (12+ / 0-)

    Patrick Kennedy and election fraud legal action:

    http://www.truthbox.org/...

    it's been reported in dailykos as well but I can't find links at the moment.

  •  Why was it so important to install... (21+ / 0-)

    ... a Rethuglican secretary of state in California?  The (de facto)  ouster, on trumped up charges of corruption, of democrat Kevin Shelley has Rove's fingerprints all over it.  Shelley of course made his claim to fame by de-certifying Diebold.

    •  In Minnesota, on election day, unexpectedly huge (4+ / 0-)
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      numbers of young men showed up to vote for Jesse Ventura thereby catapulting him in office. I think the idea was to get Arnold, get Diebold in and steal Cali for Bush in 04 and claim that young men were the reason for the turnout. Somethin' a long that line - there was a lot of talk about how Bush was gonna take California that never made a lick of sense.

  •  I think they have a 50 state strategy for that. (6+ / 0-)
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    I saw some here in Virginia in O4.What with the G. Felix scandal, it will be worse this election.
    That google also picks up W.Va.

  •  I feel sick (50+ / 0-)

    Here in Ohio Ken Blackwell has already started his dirty tricks. It's no secret.  He pulls this shit right out in the open.  The newspapers report on it as if this is business as usual.  Even some of my progressive friends think the accusations that he stole the 2004 election are overblown.  They think that if we just get good people as Democratic precinct captains everything will be fine.

    I'm going to be 60 this year and I have never, ever in my life felt such a sense of frustration as I do when I think about what has happened to our election process. When my kids were small, I took them into the voting booth with me.  I wanted them to learn how important our system of democracy is. I just never thought I would see the day when this system would come under attack from power hungry jerks like Blackwell and his GOP partners in crime.

    •  There is an illusion, among ever smart people, (19+ / 0-)

      that if an action is legal it doesn't make the resultant loss of vote "fraud". I keep telling them that legal actions taken in pursuance of an illegal goal (preventing qualified citizens from registering to vote and from voting), it is still an illegal action. Bizarre.

    •  Rolling Stone (9+ / 0-)

      There is an excellent (although disgusting and depressing) article in the current RS magazine about Blackwell's dirty tricks and how he is in the position to make sure he wins. I have tried to find it online with no luck. It may just be in the hard copy.

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      by OLinda on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:04:27 AM PDT

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    •  Ohio is very good at covering up (5+ / 0-)

      Think, How do you stop someone like Blackwell that has been getting away with corruption all these years..You dig..If he has done this in public, you know he has secrets he is hiding...I too am ashamed to say ohio is just as corrupt as our federal govt..

      •  Actually, much of his crap is obvious. For some (3+ / 0-)
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        reason, people there just aren't holding him to account. The grave mystery, far as I'm concerned, is where is all the missing outrage, anger, fury over all this. Are too many people entranced with the false American Way of Life meme?

        "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

        by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:54:55 AM PDT

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        •  Ultimately, the people just don't care (0+ / 0-)

          I think there's a few things working in Blackwell's favor here:

          1.  Americans assume that ALL politicians are crooks.  They all lie, they all cheat, they all steal.  If the GOP steals an election, it's only because they're better at it, not because the dems didn't try.  
          1. In the balance, many Americans would rather have a republican in power by election fraud than a liberal in power by an honest election.  They see liberals as a greater threat than election fraud.  Liberals are so great a threat to these people, that they would give up democracy just to save themselves from liberals.
          1.  The media, even when they do report on GOP fraud or dirty tricks, always use "he said, she said" reporting and water the story down with lots of weasle wording.  They are careful to keep the waters muddied just enough so that partisans can sustain their partisan beliefs.  This is also faciliated by the sports coverage style of politics - it's about the horse race, not the issues.  And in a horse race, all that matters is who wins.

          The greatest conqueror is he who overcomes the enemy without a blow. - Chinese Proverb

          by Subterranean on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 01:20:40 AM PDT

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        •  Ultimately, the people just don't care (0+ / 0-)

          I think there's a few things working in Blackwell's favor here:

          1.  Americans assume that ALL politicians are crooks.  They all lie, they all cheat, they all steal.  If the GOP steals an election, it's only because they're better at it, not because the dems didn't try.  
          1. In the balance, many Americans would rather have a republican in power by election fraud than a liberal in power by an honest election.  They see liberals as a greater threat than election fraud.  Liberals are so great a threat to these people, that they would give up democracy just to save themselves from liberals.
          1.  The media, even when they do report on GOP fraud or dirty tricks, always use "he said, she said" reporting and water the story down with lots of weasle wording.  They are careful to keep the waters muddied just enough so that partisans can sustain their partisan beliefs.  This is also faciliated by the sports coverage style of politics - it's about the horse race, not the issues.  And in a horse race, all that matters is who wins.

          The greatest conqueror is he who overcomes the enemy without a blow. - Chinese Proverb

          by Subterranean on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 01:28:14 AM PDT

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    •  Ken Blackwell (7+ / 0-)

      makes me cry.  My father raised me, and I raised my kids, the same way you did. Indeed, my father was a precinct committeeman when I was a child, and later Chairman of his county's Board of Elections.  So when I saw the mayor of Cleveland on CNN literally begging the BoE to get more voting machines in poor urban precincts, I wanted to cry.  I was grateful my father had not lived to see this.  Allowing a candidate to control the elections process is inherently a conflict of interest, but I don't remember anyone taking advantage of that fact before Blackwell.

  •  Very sad commentary on Rs (8+ / 0-)

    How much more evidence do you need to claim Rs hate America and it's form of government.

    Do the right thing 'casue it feels better.

    by John Boy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:18:51 AM PDT

  •  Mail in ballot (2+ / 0-)
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    would be a big plus, like we have here in Oregon.

    It has it's pros and cons, according to who you talk to.  Fortunately, voter suppression isn't one of the problems.

  •  The Democratic Party needs to decide (30+ / 0-)

    Is it the party of minority voters or isn't it?  It can't hammer on racism with one hand yet refuse to actually confront it on the other.

    I don't get the lack of response to this at all.  Not only is this a moral issue, this HURTS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S ELECTORAL CHANCES -- why aren't elected Dems screaming about this?  It's as though the fear that standing up for minorities makes you too "liberal" has paralyzed them from actually defending the votes of their most loyal constituency.

    Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

    by ChicagoDem on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:20:14 AM PDT

    •  1-888-DEM-VOTE (20+ / 0-)

      This number was established in March 2006 by the DNC Voting Rights Institute to provide information about how and where displaced New Orleans residents could vote and to help Indiana voters disenfranchised by the Republican voter ID law passed by Indiana Republicans.

      In addition to the hotline, the DNC is setting up a process to help Americans register to vote, learn how and where to cast a ballot, and provide assistance to counter the GOP efforts to suppress the vote in November.

      In addition to the national voter protection hotline, the DNC's voter protection strategy for 2006 includes:

         * COORDINATING NATIONAL ELECTION PROTECTION STRATEGY: At the DNC's Summer Meeting in Chicago, the DNC Voting Rights Institute and the National Lawyers Council will meet with the leadership of every state party to lay out their step by step plans for protecting voters at the polls at every level;

         * PROVIDING ELECTION PROTECTION STAFF: The DNC will place election protection staff in 15 key states and provide training and step-by-step Election Protection manuals to other states.

         * RECRUITING LEGAL ASSISTANCE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY: The National Lawyers Council is recruiting 7,500 pro-bono lawyers and law students to support the DNC's election protection program. These lawyers will be placed in precincts to augment voter protection efforts at every level-including not just statewide office and Congressional races, but local and county races as well. These offices from state representatives to county sheriffs and judges will have a profound impact on the lives of real citizens throughout the year.

         * ADVANCING LEGISLATION FOR VERIFIED VOTING: The DNC will continue working with Congressional leaders, grassroots activists and state parties to build support for federal legislation to mandate a verified voting paper trail for voting machines that has been proven as the best method of securing votes.

         * FILING LITIGATION TO BLOCK LEGISLATION: The DNC will work with state parties to file litigation to prevent imposition of egregious photo ID and other Republican sponsored legislation that disenfranchise voters. This follows the successful partnership the DNC has undertaken with state parties pursuing legal challenges to, for example, Indiana's voter ID law and to the effort to investigate the criminal phone-jamming scheme in New Hampshire.

         * MONITORING STATE LEGISLATION: The National Lawyers Council and the Voting Rights Institute will continue to meet with top election law attorneys and monitor state legislative initiatives that have the potential to dilute the voting rights of key constituency voters. They are also updating manuals from the last election cycle to reflect new changes in election laws across the country.

      I'm sure we'll be hearing more from the DNC as Election Day gets closer.

      Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

      by mini mum on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:32:00 AM PDT

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    •  It's simple... (15+ / 0-)

      ...but it's a hard pill to swallow.  It is rare in American history that we allow a discussion over true FUNDAMENTAL issues in our society.  Until very recently, American democracy was a "gentleman's game" with a few critical breakdowns.  From the era of the Nullification Crisis to the Civil War to Jim Crow, the forces of conservatism have always resorted to "gaming" the system to get their way.  The opposition party, conversely, runs the risk of undermining the system by challenging false results.  

      In short, the party that contests an election has only two matters of recourse: go to the courts (Bush v. Gore) or get some guns (The Civil War.)  When you're out of power you have very limited options in order to gain power.  De Tocqueville observed this as a failing of our system.  Winner-take-all democracy allows the winners to hold the cards, regardless of how they actually "won."

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:45:00 AM PDT

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      •  But it doesn't mean accepting it in silence (10+ / 0-)

        While I'm glad that, as mini mum points out above, the Dems are using legal means to combat these tactics, the lack of public discussion bothers me.

        If I controlled the Democratic Party, this would be a key point in ANY media appearance, and we would not back down until some reform was enacted.  We need to either force the Republicans to publicly embrace their racism or publicly repudiate it.  As it is, it's FAR too easy for people to go about their daily lives without realizing this is happening, or thinking that it isn't a "big problem".  So the GOP can get away with these racial policies while pretending to be moderate.

        The only institution in America with a megaphone large enough to counter the GOP is the DNC.  Quiet action in the background is important, but (as we saw in Bush v. Gore), it's doomed to action without a ground game.

        Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

        by ChicagoDem on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:50:16 AM PDT

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        •  I agree... (6+ / 0-)
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          ...I'm just pointing out people's aversion to those very vocal tactics.  If you study some of the elections that took place in the South during Jim Crow you'd see how the tactic worked.  The local Klan (usually the Dixiecrats who were working for a candidate plus some of the local hellraisers) would ride out on nights before elections and rough people up, burn crosses, and generally terrorize.  They used other "legal" tactics like making sure ballots were all in one color in a day when illiterate people needed colored ballots to tell which party or candidate they were voting for.  All that and more.

          The partisan press would either report this stuff as "unrelated" to the campaign or not report it at all.  Once the election was over, the winners would tout "sour grapes" at the losers and proclaim they were "revolutionists" for trying to overthrow a legitimately elected candidate.  

          So the risk you run is the old "sour grapes" argument.  With a GOP run media to shape the frame that's a very real fear.  

          No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

          by CrazyHorse on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:14:24 AM PDT

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          •  Which is why you make as much noise as possible (6+ / 0-)

            before the election.

            I agree about the "sour grapes" frame.  In fact, we saw it first hand with 2000's election.  Remember "get over it"?  But the way to combat that is to do everything possible to draw people's attention to the racial issues while they're occurring.  If you've been saying "the GOP is fixing black votes" for months before the election, it won't look like a surprise when you say it the day after.

            This isn't the 1960s -- while racism is still alive, it's become taboo.  It's much harder to publicly embrace racist tactics, even for the GOP.  So I can't believe the GOP would go through with these voter suppression tactics if the Democratic party leadership -- and I mean the "respectable" white leadership, not just Sharpton and Jackson -- were on TV alerting people about it.

            Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

            by ChicagoDem on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:20:32 AM PDT

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          •  By the time of voter registration ... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...activism in the South of the 1960s, there was little need for more than a teensy bit of what you're talking about. Blacks were too afraid to register. Those who tried persistently wound up beaten. Those who tried to register others sometimes wound up dead. The Klan was always in the back of people's minds, but it rarely had to do any nightriding.

      •  True, but there's more history than people know (4+ / 0-)
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        In 1946 veterans took up arms to ensure free elections in Athens, GA. Sure, it was the get some guns option, but it worked - and it was the right thing to do.

        http://www.constitution.org/...

        I think the GOP is pushing their luck here. The paper trail is growing on this crap (phone jamming in NH) and I don't think it's as taboo an issue as it was in 2000 and 2004. I think if it repeats this year, there will be a rather public push-back - particularly in urban Ohio. People there still seem to be rather pissed after 2004.

        -6.00, -7.03
        "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

        by johnsonwax on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:24:22 AM PDT

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    •  Simple (0+ / 0-)

      Suggesting that the vote is rigged hurts your chances electorally if the vote isn't rigged, because it will lower your turn out, because people will think, "The vote will be stolen anyways, why bother to vote".

      As for the suppression of votes via difficult procedures (as opposed to suggesting the vote is fixed), this is a hard argument to make, too.  As mentioned in the story, in most of the examples used, the Republicans control the state.  Just like in Iraq on a nation, the Democrats are therefore powerless to stop said changes, until they get elected, which is, at least in theory, difficult if the suppression isn't stopped.

      In both cases, one would have to make the arguement "Vote for me or your vote won't count".  That doesn't work.

  •  The legitimacy of the democratic process (12+ / 0-)

    ... is at stake. If that falls, then the legitimacy of the state itself comes into to question. And if there are too many that question the latter, well... I don't have to connect the dots too well, do I?

    Okay:

    1. You have a demoralized population that is not motivated to compete on the world market, and the "empire" rots from inside.
    1. You have an angry and hostile population that realizes that the cancer resides in the political elites.

    But the GOP doesn't care. Short-term gains, no horizon beyond tomorrow.

    "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind..."

    "Existence is a flame which constantly melts and recasts our theories." -- R.D. Laing

    by Valtin on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:26:53 AM PDT

    •  Good pt. (0+ / 0-)

      The very legitimacy of the STATE is at risk here. The GOP is hell bent on disinfrancising anyone or group that threatens it's strangle hold on power. The people who now dominate that party aren't conservatives but authouritarians and fascists in suits. It's time for the Demo. party leadership in Congress and the states to wake up to the fact that the GOP is moving the goal posts to win and they aren't fighting back. WHY?

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:35:59 AM PDT

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  •  I read this over at Raw Story (10+ / 0-)

    this morning and was hoping someone would diary it.

    I consider this one of the most important issues we have to deal with. If they are successful at this then all the recent Democratic offensives and good fortune in the polls will mean diddly squat.

    I live in Ca and I'm worried. If they steal Ca then it's all over since they already have Fla & Oh.

    I know some people are actively fighting this but will it be enough? What can we do?

    -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:28:50 AM PDT

    •  What can we do??? Get the hell busy, that's what. (4+ / 0-)
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      I hope your questioning is rhetorical. Because if you/we do nothing, our democracy will be what BushCorp is trying to make it now: an empty concept with no meaning because its practice has been effectively suppressed.

      We're in the endgame NOW. The Bush Pestilence is pulling out all the stops to finish off our tottering political system, and we're going to have to scramble out from in front of our computers, our video games, our TV sets, our comfortable way of life, and take them on. It's been all these hollow-souled people have focused on since 2000, so we're going to have to run to catch up.

      The good news is, we know the contest for the future of our democracy is a marathon (e.g., look at Kos' relative calm), and they've started panicking and sprinting well before the finish line. All we have to do is take deliberate and focused steps to expose, reveal, uncover, decry, deplore, deride and hound the bastids about what they're trying to do undercover of all the chaos Rove/Cheney/Bush have perpetrated.

      BushCorp and its mouthpieces are coming apart at the seams; going nuclear; freaking out everywhere, because for the first time in their pathetic lives, their fascist fantasies are being challenged in a meaningful way. Even their DLC surrogates have been outed. Papier mache Democrat "leaders" like Hillary and John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and others have been outed. We know we have to count on ourselves, our families, our friends, to get this done.

      Onward. Focused. Eyes on the prize.

      "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

      by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:32:45 AM PDT

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      •  For me it's not enough (3+ / 0-)
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        to say "Get busy" because that's a concept and I'm looking for specific steps and actions to take. Lance Armstrong's coach doesn't just say "peddle harder". He gives him very specific things to do and when. In the area of voting I contribute to the efforts that are going on and sign every petition that comes around.

        There's so much going on and I and others are not just sitting here wringing our hands and writing about it but for this information to now come out despite all this activity then it seems clear to me that more is needed.

        The question "What can we do" is asked in this context, in the context of doing more than what is being done now which is a lot - specific actions that will help accomplish the goal of making our elections meaningful.

        -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

        by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:47:03 AM PDT

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  •  Supress it in 6 states? (9+ / 0-)

    I'm thinking it will be more like 40.

    Fox News--As fair as a Florida Election, as balanced as Ann Coulter when she forgets her medicine.

    by Dizzy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:29:08 AM PDT

    •  It's not easy to do. You must have a state (4+ / 0-)

      election machinery that can be safely manipulated. You have to be able to convince 60 year old women that they aren't going to go to prison if they just do X for you - whatever X is. You must have a ladder in place that protects people from prosecution and it must include the Secretary of State at the very least. It probably most go up to the Governor as well.  Cali now has Shelley (the Secretary of State) and Arnie so we're in danger. States who have Democratic governors or Democratic Secretaries of State probably can't be stolen.

      Penny ante vote manipulation can go on at precinct or county level, but if the Secretary of STate is honest then those people are vulnerable to prosecution. Most local elections are run by retired people and getting them to risk everything is tough to do.

      These are top down conspiracies we're dealing with, and that's why they are so tough to combat.

      •  Disagree re safe zones (1+ / 0-)
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        New Mexico's presidential vote in 2004 was wobbling and teetering suspiciously, and eventually landed Bushward by just enough.  The Democratic party has long had a headlock on state politics, and our Secretary of State, Rebecca Vigil-Giron, is a Dem.

        Ye, IMHO, she did virtually nothing to protect our votes in 2004, despite entire precinct ballotboxes disappearing and reappearing like bad pennies. Were there Republican highjinks?  Maybe, probably, who knows.  

        There is not oversight. No control.  No standardization.  The elections infrastructure is primitive.  The oversight is non-existent.

        I'm sure she didn't want Bush to win, let alone connive at it.  But she didn't have to.  All she had to do was be missing in action.  

        The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function -- Edward Teller.

        by lgmcp on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:56:45 AM PDT

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      •  Kevin Shelley is the former California Secretary (1+ / 0-)
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        of State.  He was forced to resign on ethics charges.

        The current Secretary of State is an Arnold appointee named Bruce McPherson.  He reversed Shelley's decision to decertify Diebold voting machines and certified them for California elections.

        We're in trouble here in California folks.  We need to get off our duffs and do some grass roots GOTV so that the margin of victory is too big to be manipulated.

        •  Doh! Of course, you're right about that. (0+ / 0-)
        •  Nah (0+ / 0-)

          If the Republicans were fixing the vote, all of Arnie's propositions last year would have passed (they all failed).

          •  Arnie's propositions (0+ / 0-)

            were all defeated soundly.  That's the key to beating the repubs.  We've got to beat them such that the margin of victory is large enough so that they can't fudge the numbers through the diebold machines and voter suppression.

            •  They weren't defeated in San Diego (0+ / 0-)

              The votes cast at the polls were two to one or three to one for Donna Frye for Mayor and against Arnie's propositions.

              But it turned out that the bulk of the votes were (supposedly) early and absentee ballots that were counted secretly with no observers present (the ROV had allowed the political parties to appoint official observers, but he somehow forgot to notify them), and those votes were for our current Mayor, Jerry Sanders, and in favor of Arnie's propositions.

              Our San Diego election was decided by ballots counted with nobody but election officials and a Diebold technician present. Since they trended differently from publicly-counted votes in San Diego, and from most votes in California, I think they were much more "absentee" than we could ever imagine. I think those voters weren't in San Diego or in California, and that's why they didn't vote the way the rest of us did. I think those voters didn't really exist. I can't prove it, but since nobody will ever really know for sure, I guess I'm free to think whatever I want.

  •  I expect (6+ / 0-)

    nothing less from this criminal cabal that calls itself the republican party.

  •  Pragmatic Solutions (5+ / 0-)

    We all know that this has happened and that it will happen.  It seems to be rather than a "woe is me attitude", or anger no matter how justified, or wondering why other people aren't saying something, we need to come up with a solution.  It is the same as the last minute ratfuck.  We know it is coming even if they have to create it out of thin air, we know the media is going to latch on to it and report it, we need strategies in place to deal with it.  So what are the solutions we can offer.

    I am sure Jeffrey Feldman of the Frameshop can offer ways of framing this and injecting it in to the national discourse.

    There must be ways to identify voters and make sure they have the correct identification and voting information, and working with them if they do not.

    There must be ways to establish helpful individuals at polling places to walk people through.

    There are a thousand other ideas.  The strength of this community is its creativity and resourcefulness.  We can overcome this, and when we do we can put the bastards in jail.

  •  The Bush, Jr Years: We spell 'Jim Crow' G*O*P (19+ / 0-)

     I live in the Deep South.  I'm very attuned to Jim Crowisms.  The other day either Savage was going off about the "stupid" Voting Rights Act that was re-authorized.  I think it was Savage because he said something like:  "So whuhduz it mean, then?  Putting voting booths in all the crack houses?!"

     Yup.  That's today's GOP.  

     When is some Democratic candidate who has something resembling a SPINE going to up and say,

    "Certainly not all Republicans are Jim Crow racists, but it's clear that when you're talking about voter suppression and Neo-Jim Crowism, all the rabid racists are Republican.  I invite Republicans of conscience to, just this voting cycle, vote Democratic as a way of sending a message to your party's leadership that you will NOT part of their NeoJimCrow gang will NOT tolerate it in your party.  And, who knows, with a few more Democrats in office, some of you who thought you were Republican might find your country run a little better than it has been of late!  You might be pleasantly surprised!"

    BenGoshi
    _______________________________________________

    P.S. --  This stuff just writes itself, eh?

    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:36:40 AM PDT

    •  If only... (6+ / 0-)

      Rove's flashy distractions will prevent that from happening ...as usual... guns, god, and gays and bright flashy bombs...remember?

      i know some republicans who are decent people but they are going to vote republican no matter what... you can take their jobs and their livelihood but, per their brainwashing, they won't vote outside of their culture.

      they will in some regions but definitely not in the purposefully education-depressed South...(i live here too).

    •  Not just race either (0+ / 0-)

      The new GOP "Jim Crow" laws are aimed at all groups that are identitfied as Demo. that also includes the poor. The new laws penalize the poor by putting into place fees to register and buy ID cards. As is usual with the fascist rethugs the aim is to suppress the opposition. They are also purging voter rolls and the final coup is of course the auditless machines. We shouldn't meekly accept all of this. What's needed is a movement to BOYCOTT elections where these laws , lists and machines exist.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:40:58 AM PDT

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  •  Let's take a tip... (11+ / 0-)

    ...from our friends south of the border.  They know how to contest an election.

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:37:43 AM PDT

  •  you had me at salon (2+ / 0-)
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    you lost me at raw story
  •  Only 6? Things are getting better (3+ / 0-)
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    They cheated in all 50 before.

    One nation, under surveillance, no liberty, nor justice for us

    by SisTwo on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:40:02 AM PDT

  •  Do fascists oversee fair elections? (5+ / 0-)

    We have all been encouraged this year by polls which have shown the American people's disenchantmnent with BushCo and we have diarized and commented on the good possibility of retaking Congress and slowing down the corrupt fascist warmongering Republican machine. But as this diary and the comments have shown, we are a long way from fair elections here and any Senate race, for example, which is close is not likely to have a happy ending. Think of Missouri. And also think of the next two and a half months of "terror alerts." Unfortunately, Karl Rove did not get indicted as we hoped (and as justice cried out for), now he can see his corrupt fascist plans bear fruit. We should all keep fighting but with eyes wide open.

  •  the saddest thing is.... (7+ / 0-)

    is that we're talking about this in terms of it being (nasty) business as usual when, by everything right and what this country is supposed to be about, the mere whisper of such a campaign should have the FBI swarming republican election offices in those states with warrants to confiscate and arrest.  

    Conservatism should be listed under sociopathic disorders in the DSM-4 and treated with the appropriate medication.

    by Heller Highwater on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:47:12 AM PDT

    •  Give the man a pat on the back for realism in an (3+ / 0-)
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      Alice Through the Looking Glass world. Damn straight the FBI should be swarming these offices. At the very least, you'd think the state's attorneys all over the country would be yelling about this stuff. Unless....

      "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

      by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:51:45 AM PDT

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  •  6 years ago...I would of thought this diary (12+ / 0-)

    was a study in paranoia. Not no more. I think it is very very real.
    I think the Bush Regime has been building all of this slowly, with care and will stop at nearly nothing to keep themselves in power---not just 6 states but the whole country.

    Proud Commie or Frustrated Capitalist?

    by vassmer on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:49:54 AM PDT

    •  Welcome to the real world. (4+ / 0-)

      If people would just believe their lying eyes once in a while, a lot of this stuff could be dealt with before it's too late. Fortunately or unfortunately we'll find out this November whether or not it's too late.

      The United States of America has become One Giant Funny Farm.

      by nehark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:09:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Really? It was obvious in 2000 (4+ / 0-)
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      When Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris hired Choice Point to disenfranchise black voters with a fraudulent "felon" database.  There was no "paranoia" in seeing this.

      The claim was not extraordinary, and the evidence was extraordinary.  Yet it was largely ignored by people in the Democratic Party with the power to do something about it.

      Ohio 2004 was no suprise, yet again, the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" mindset, along with a fear of being perceived as a "sore loser,"  made people reluctant to denounce obvious voter suppression.  Barbara Boxer was the only Senator willing to object to the certification of Ohio's electoral votes.  Was she "paranoid"?

      Max Cleland's 2002 loss to Chambliss in Georgia was also very suspicious.  

      Six years ago, I might have found this diary paranoid.  5 1/2 years ago, I would not have.

  •  Election Protection (8+ / 0-)

    Will be back at work in 2006.  Find out how you can volunteer & help protect the vote.

    Election Protection 2004

  •  Stirling Newberry at TalkingPointsMemo, today, (4+ / 0-)
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    discusses this Salon article.  Newberry is well worth reading, whatever the topic.  It irritates me that Kerry, and to some extent Democrats in general are blamed for running poor campaigns when, in fact, we are not fighting on a fair field!!!

    •  Just be careful (0+ / 0-)

      yes Stirling can be entertaining.  But he can also go way off the deep end.  After watching him in 2003, I would advise anyone active with a campaign to keep him at arms reach.

      •  Example? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        The United States of America has become One Giant Funny Farm.

        by nehark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:10:44 AM PDT

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        •  Stirling was an early and vocal (2+ / 0-)
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          Clark supporter in 2003.  A member of the Draft Clark movement.  He got in several big fights with the Clark campaign, consequently writing most of the narrative that the MSM used about the problems with Clark campaign.
          He made alot of allegations and started many rumors. It was very nasty situation.

          I'm not saying that some of what he alleged wasn't true.  But some of what he wrote just seemed petty and bitter as it really appeared he felt the campaign should have hired him.  And since they didn't and weren't going to, he was going to lash out at them.
          Or to put it bluntly.  Some of what he was yelling about to anyone that would listen, was not based in reality.  I personally questioned him on a couple of topics that he alleged, that I knew personally not to be true and asked for some sort of evidence.  The net result was my mail was never answered by him again.

          So call it a bad time for all. I'm not anybody important and my role in Clarks campaign was not overly important.  I'm not challenging him for influence.  But personally I think the man believes his own hype too much, and if I were hiring for a campaign I wouldn't be available to take his calls.  

          •  Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

            I realize I haven't read anything from him here in a long time. I guess this must be why. I'll have to go back and take a look.

            The United States of America has become One Giant Funny Farm.

            by nehark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:24:59 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks, DanD. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not a player in campaigns, nor do I know Mr. Newberry personally.  I find his articles interesting and his perspective, let me say, broad and refreshing.  With you in mind, I'll sharpen up and keep my critical eye peeled as I read.

  •  freedom and democracy (5+ / 0-)

    This is where I wish the fucking media would get their heads out of their asses and start to call this administration and every congresscritter who talks about Iraq and elections and democracy and freedom.

    The right to vote is at the very core of democracy and registering to vote should be one of the easiest thing any person can do. It should be a free and simple process. And, particularly in an election year, it should be rammed down every adults throat! When you go to the grocery store, at the post office, when you're on hold with the DMV, whatever - in every part of our workaday lives there should be reminders about registering to vote.

    This is NOT a state issue. This is a federal issue and the Democrats should put it very HIGH on their to-do list if they can manage to overcome the likely fraud that awaits and gain some power in these upcoming elections.

    Life is too short to eat undelicious food. Sample a Lusty Bit @ http://lustybit.blogspot.com.

    by Whigsboy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:54:43 AM PDT

  •  Dictatorship? (13+ / 0-)

    The dictator Bush wants control of the National Guard over the governor’s objections.

    Why?

    Check out the recent elections in Mexico and the resulting marches.

    The dictator Bush does not enforce the laws on the books.

    The dictator Bush writes his own laws to cover for war crimes.

    The dictator Bush has robbed the treasury and there is no accounting.

    The dictator Bush does not like dissent and Cheney calls voters terrorists with no recourse.

    The dictator Bush does not follow the Constitution.

    I could go on and on but who is going to stop the dictator Bush?

  •  Can we get some international observers, please? (5+ / 0-)

    Maybe the Carter Center could hook us up with some trustworthy international observers to make sure the election isn't stolen. Again.

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. - Thomas Jefferson

    Ignorance killed the cat. Curiousity was framed.

    by Lashe on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 09:59:13 AM PDT

  •  This kind of crap only works... (3+ / 0-)
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    if the elections are close, too close to call.

    That is when Republican Cheating works.

    It wont work this year.

    Because those treasonous bastards will have thier clocks cleaned by good old fashioned Democracy.

    •  This assumes that white, (7+ / 0-)

      middle and upper class Americans have had enough in numbers large enough to make up for all the disenfranchised. More voters will be kept from the polls in 2006 than were in 2004. The Republicans have had two years to tighten up their fascist maneuvers. We just have to get that many more Democrats to the polls this year. I think we can do it. But, if for some reason we fail at this, I think the game is over for a long while.

      The United States of America has become One Giant Funny Farm.

      by nehark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:18:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Hope great, complacency not (4+ / 0-)

      Max Cleland was up 49-44% just before the election, but lost 53-46%.

      Kerry was up, but lost.  Bush's approval ratings just after the election were very low -- I think the lowest in history for a just re-elected incumbent, except FDR  during WWII.

      Disapproval of Bush is very high, but does that mean high enough real margins in all races to make voter suppression and electoral fraud unworkable?

  •  Defending Voting Rights and Fighting Corruption (2+ / 0-)
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    All across the nation Republicans have been working hard to disenfranchise voters, steal elections, and commit corruption with impunity. I am pushing an Act Blue page to elect Democrats as Sec. of State, Attorney General, Auditor, and other positions of responsibility to stop the stealing of elections and corruption in Government. Please join the Fair Election and Clean Government movement with a small donation. I also urge everyone to write their local newspapers to oppose DRE voting machines, support PB/OS voting machines, and to support non-partisan or bi-partisan or multi-partisan election boards.

    •  this is one area where the Dean fifty state (5+ / 0-)

      approach is particularly important.

    •  Could you please give more criteria (0+ / 0-)

      as to why you selected those particular candidates for your ActBlue page? I'd like to expand the dKosopedia List of candidates promoting election integrity, but I'd like to know more about these candidates. Some of them are already on the page, some are not. For instance, I left Mike Mauro off the page because his I couldn't see anything substantive about election integrity on his website.

      Must read: MLKJ's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail." It will surprise you.

      by AlanF on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 04:59:50 PM PDT

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      •  Scattershot approach (0+ / 0-)

        I am taking a less focused approach. In fact your list inspired mine, but I am figuring we need to capture as many of these positions as we can. Mostly I am targeting states where either Republican fraud has already occurred or seems likely. But I am also simply taking the attitude that we have to go for all positions. Your approach is also valid: pick the best.

        •  Hey, that's encouraging! (0+ / 0-)

          Glad to know that my list inspired yours.

          I think it's important to recognize that there are Democrats who don't know or care much about election integrity in the 2006 voting landscape, especially when it would involve work on their part, and they prevent the kind of reform we need. Also, I think that the successful coalitions are the ones that include at least some Republicans and third-party members. The idea that any Democrat is better than any Republican is a dangerous one. Having said that, so far I haven't found any Republicans to add to my list, though I have added quite a few third-party candidates, many of whom are quite active in election integrity and put the Dems to shame.

          Must read: MLKJ's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail." It will surprise you.

          by AlanF on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:58:33 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Dems and Repubs and Thirds (0+ / 0-)

            I am sad to say that the one thing the Bush administration has taught me is that, currently, ANY Democrat is indeed better than a Republican. Right now I think we DO have to defeat Republicans at every turn in every state. Doesn't mean I'm not all for primary fights (I am well known for my focus on primaries locally, see for example this diary) But I think our future as a democracy DEPENDS on routing the Republicans across the board.

            Third parties too often are pockets of their own bizarre infighting and eccentricty. I like a Third party when they play a positive role...but usually they don't. When they do it is kick ass...I even got a kick out of Jesse Ventura's adventure as a Third Party Governor. But I also find it hard to forgive the Greens for 2000, especially since many of them fail to see the fact that they really did themselves and the environmental movement a great deal of harm in 2000.

            Anyway, I like what you are doing and see what I am doing as parallel to it. But I think there is a critical need to admit that the Republican party today is so corrupt and anti-democracy and anti-Constitution...Hell, anti-AMERICAN...that we really do have to make defeating them our number one priority.

  •  I vote absentee... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...now that we can do so without having to give a reason [NC]. They moved my precinct poll from the train station into the basement of the First Baptist Church a few years ago, and I didn't like having my primary ballot overlooked by a gigantic mural of Noah and his many animals. Train station renovation's done, but voting is still in the FBC. The other precinct in our not-big town votes in the fellowship hall of the Wesleyan Church.

    We have a school (with gym), a library, a town hall, a 3-building museum, a train station and several other municipal properties, but the church lobbies locally are huge. Now I get my ballot early in the mail complete with instructions and information about the races and candidates. Send it certified, return receipt, and keep copies. That doesn't mean it's counted, of course, but it does make me feel better and nobody challenges my right to vote at the poll.

    Satan himself had a 33% approval rating even as he was booted out of heaven.

    by Joy Busey on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:04:51 AM PDT

    •  I have a feeling where those end up. (2+ / 0-)
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      In the "circular file", if they're from a Democrat.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

      by Loboguara on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:18:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  So this year, we ask to see them after election. (4+ / 0-)
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        So we'll know what has happened to them. Ask all your absentee voting friends and family members to verify what's happened to their ballots. What does each state's law say about how those ballots must be handled? Were they handled in accordance with the law? Too bad this didn't happen on a mass scale in 2004.

        "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

        by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:36:26 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Right you are! (3+ / 0-)
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      That doesn't mean it's counted

      The United States of America has become One Giant Funny Farm.

      by nehark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:20:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  but what about exit polling? (3+ / 0-)
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      that's a crucial election check.

      •  No exit polls here. (4+ / 0-)
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        There's all of 738 humans and 2 precincts. Nobody cares what we think. In the 2000 election my daughter who lives with us took her son when we drove to town to vote (still at the train station then) because she was leader of his Scout troop and wanted to show him how it's done.

        A recent change in the state BoE leadership had provided whole new voter rolls, and her name wasn't on it. They sent her over to the other precinct to see if she got mis-listed there, but they'd just flat lost her. She stood in front of the poll workers at the table and said (loudly enough to be heard by all present) that she was a duly registered and entirely legal voter who had voted in every election here since 1992, and she wasn't leaving without casting her ballot. They called the police while one poll worker called Raleigh. We sat down to enjoy the show...

        They finally had to let her re-register on the spot in a loophole invented just for our Appalachian region where mountain men might only come into town once every few years to vote. While waiting, another poll worker told us she wasn't the first voter to have been turned away that day, though she was the only one who insisted she be allowed to vote anyway.

        I sort of giggled and told the worker she should maybe start looking out for dead people, and sure enough, a total of a dozen dead people were identified in those rolls in the next five minutes. I winked at the cop (one of our 2.5 member local police force) and told him if any of them show up to vote, he should definitely take a picture.

        So in every election since, my husband and I vote in one precinct, our daughter votes in the other. My grandson will vote in his first election in 2008, but we don't know where... §;o)

        Satan himself had a 33% approval rating even as he was booted out of heaven.

        by Joy Busey on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:46:36 AM PDT

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        •  They called the police, (2+ / 0-)
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          because she wanted to vote?   Criminy.

          Dead people votin' - would make a good movie, woudn't it?!

          •  Yeah, police... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...I think they were worried that she might "make a scene" - which she definitely did, with all the aplomb a duly degreed theatre professional can muster! The cop, of course, knows everybody in town and everybody knows him. He wasn't about to kick her out of the polling place if she insisted she's a legal voter, complete with uniformed Boy Scout observer and two legal voter parents in tow.

            Never did find out what happened to the regular voting rolls that were there during the primary. Maybe one of Jesse's leftover thugs just ran it through to delete 1/3 of all registered democrats and add 10 years' worth of dead republicans. But they forgot to screen addresses, and ended up deleting one of three voters in the same house.

            That means they couldn't fall back on the excuse that they'd somehow sent a 10-year old voting list instead of the current one, because my husband and I registered the same time our daughter did when we moved here. We were on the roll...

            Satan himself had a 33% approval rating even as he was booted out of heaven.

            by Joy Busey on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 01:21:17 PM PDT

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            •  Good heavens!! (0+ / 0-)

              She made a scene!  There's a law against that, isn't there?  No chewing of scenery, to  make life hard for vegetarians (who are usually Dems, after all).

              But, seriously, what I wonder is what would have happened had she been someone who was more easily intimidated?  I mean, the point of voter suppression isn't to stop everyone from voting.  It's too cut down on the voting, shaving off those who can be shaved off,  creating enough of an obstacle course that a predictable number of votes don't make it through.

              •  The poll worker said... (3+ / 0-)
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                ...our daughter wasn't the only 'lost' voter, she was just the only 'lost' voter who insisted on voting anyway. That means the rest of 'em left without voting. But don't get me started...

                Mom was disenfranchised in Jacksonville, Florida that same day because she didn't have a picture ID when challenged. It was the last vote before she died, and she was livid. She'd been the president of the local chapter of League of Women Voters back in the '60s. But there she was, wheeled in by my sister with oxygen tank strapped to the chair, and the Republican "watchers" ganged right up on her. Ugly scene indeed, my sister said the rest of the voters waiting nearly took 'em down, and the police were coming in as Mom and my sister left. The experience had upset her so she couldn't breathe.

                Satan himself had a 33% approval rating even as he was booted out of heaven.

                by Joy Busey on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:09:33 PM PDT

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    •  Early voting works better in NC (2+ / 0-)
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      You can vote early in NC - for the 2 weeks before the election - in at least one polling place per county.  It is an absentee ballot, but in out case, the polling place is the Board of Elections itself.  No mail to worry about, and your ballot goes in the scanner just like on Election Day.

  •  Calling Like I See It (11+ / 0-)

    They're willing to fight to take away your freedom.

    If you're not willing to fight to keep it, you are most certainly going to lose it.

    Something for the apathetics and the fatalists in the audience to chew on.

    Forget peak oil. Peak beer is coming!

    by cskendrick on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:06:06 AM PDT

  •  if it happens again (8+ / 0-)

    we need to take it to the streets, like in Mexico.

    You say cool down, we say step down! --Holly Near

    by Castine on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:10:02 AM PDT

  •  A nitpick (8+ / 0-)

    In this day and age, you would think that getting ID wouldn't be so hard but it is for blacks forced to be born at home due to these same racist's policies of the past, see the bottom blockquote for anecdotal evidence of this.

    FYI, "forced to be born at home" might be true in this case, but it's a bit much here if you're talking about an 84 year old American of any age.  

    Yes, racial discrimination prevented black mothers from giving birth in hospitals at that time - but hospital birth wasn't the norm at that time anyway. John Wayne was born at home.  Richard Nixon was born at home, as were pretty much all the presidents who served before him, not to mention Ronald Reagan after him.  All my white grandparents were born at home (in Montana, NY State, Wisconsin, and Denmark).  So was my husband actually (in the U.K., to a working class mother, with a state midwife).

    And it's not all that unusual for people that old to not have a birth certificate, either because it was lost and nobody remembers where to get a copy, or because they never had one.  It's a problem with foster children as well as the elderly, and with Americans of all races.  A piece of paper is a fragile thing to hang a legal identity on.

    Heck, I was born overseas in an Air Force hospital.  If I lose my birth certificate (it's under lock and key), I'd have to go to the State Department to get a replacement copy.  Just imagine how long that could take.  Lucky for me, I've had a passport since I was a small child.

    Short form - the primary problem is in the excessive requirements for ID.  If you can't vote without paying money and jumping through a lot of hoops, your civil rights are being violated.

    "Virginia Woolf's idea of a room of one's own has never been the place for middle- and working-class women. We work with interruptions." - Ananya Chatterjea

    by sarac on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:11:39 AM PDT

  •  Call for action (7+ / 0-)

    Ok, rather than bemoaning the same tactics that we knew were coming - that came in the last two elections, how about we take some action here. 100,000 users have to be able to DO something, after all. (I know - we take a lot of action - but relative to this diary, I see mostly 'gee, this sucks' reactions.)

    It seems to me that in many of these areas we're contributing money and will work on GOTV efforts, but why not dovetail voting rights and integrity into these critical areas? There has to be something that can be done to counter these efforts - if only raising awareness and education.

    In addition to the usual doorhangers and mailers, how about including a voter rights item to educate people that either aren't registered or are registered but may be turned away at the polls. Make sure they bring whatever documentation they need - and help them to secure that documentation if they don't have it. it needs to be local to each state and in some cases probably district, so it's no small undertaking, but the GOP is working at this level already - so they clearly see the importance in it.

    Thoughts?

    -6.00, -7.03
    "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

    by johnsonwax on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:16:09 AM PDT

    •  Nice. Great suggestions. I'll demand this in MD, (3+ / 0-)
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      by going directly to our Dem orgs. Think DNC should add this info as well, to their site, as well as to their mail-outs, to pre-empt, rather than react to, this crap. In fact, they, and every state Dem org. can set up a reproducible web page detailing exactly what's necessary to register properly in each state, and what ID to obtain and bring with you to vote in every state.

      I'll be talking to campaigns in Maryland, Virginia and Pennsylvania to suggest these ideas, then follow up with them to see how they've prioritized this. Then, on to the League of Women Voters, who are all about educating voters. Be interesting to see if they'll take this on, and push people to register correctly, and then come to vote with the correct ID, etc.

      I agree that it should be simple to just have doorknockers discuss this clearly with all households, and follow up with people who need help/prompting to get this done. This is as important as GOTV, no doubt about it!

      "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

      by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:46:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Also, ON election day ... (0+ / 0-)

      ...how about picking a precinct to watch? Help people who are stopped from voting. Keep a list of the names and contact information of anyone who is turned away for any reason. Put all the lists together and use it to take legal action against the suppressors.

  •  What Frightens Me (19+ / 0-)

    What frightens me most is that even if you could convince Republican voters that this voter fraud was going on -- even stealing an election via electronic voting machines -- most of them wouldn't give a shit about it, provided Republicans were the ones benefiting from the fraud.

    I truly believe this. They simply would not care. These people are so full of anger, fear, fanaticism, hate, bigotry and blood-lust that they'd say "Fine by me" and move on. They would literally rather see America destroyed than be forced to deal with a Democratic majority. It's truly the "If I can't have you then no one will have you" scenario you see with psycho boyfriends and girlfriends in horror movies.

    This fraud has gotten to the point where they don't even try to hide it. They know the media won't blow the whistle. They know the Justice Department won't blow the whistle. They know the local officials won't blow the whistle. It's like one giant crime family. You get my back. I'll get yours. And the whole crime family wins.

    Our democracy is dying. The truth means nothing. Voting integrity means nothing. There is no accountability. Money and party trump country ten times out of ten.

    I truly don't know if we'll survive this.

    The Republican Party: Keeping America Fact-Free Since 2001

    by IndyScott on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:16:31 AM PDT

    •  That doesn't surprise me. (6+ / 0-)
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      When Goldwater-style conservatism has mutated to a childish, petty, downright MEAN "I want mine and to hell with you, I want mine even if I have to cheat and lie to get it" success-no-matter-what philosophy, well...

      ...does this surprise anyone?

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis

      by Loboguara on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:21:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What goes around, comes around... (1+ / 0-)
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        If a figure like Vince Lombardi, onetime coach of the Green Bay Packers, is elevated to iconic status in popular culture (long before Fox News, there was the Reader's Digest, after all)... and he says, "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"...

        Generations of people will absorb it and believe it and act accordingly.

    •  Republicans are famous for not thinking things (1+ / 0-)
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      through to their ultimate conclusion.

      They may not care yet, but this is a stepwise thing.  If Republicans continue on this course, things are going to get worse.

      Suppressing the Democratic vote over too long a period will be like fastening an airtight lid over a boiling kettle of water.  

      Discontent will grow as more and more "moderates" come over and at some point an unstoppable majority will cause the kettle to explode.

      If the Democrats "lose" this November despite clear evidence of voter preference to the contrary, this will be very serious indeed.

      Help keep America a one party state - vote Republican! (-6.25, -6.92)

      by AndyS In Colorado on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:28:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Republic vs. Democracy (1+ / 0-)
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      For many, a lot seems to hinge on the idea that the United States is a Republic, not a Democracy, a Republic basically being construed as an arrangement in which the best and the brightest rule (the best and the brightest being synonymous with Republicans, for the most part).

      I see it as today's equivalent to the States' Rights argument that was so influential in the 19th century - not, I think, so much as a credible argument in itself, but as a credible cover for a much less credible argument - the argument that government exists in order to maintain and extend privelege for those who already have it.

    •  It's infuriating and it's scary (1+ / 0-)
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      I think you're exactly right. It's about power and their agenda and in their eyes the ends certainly justify whatever they may do along the way.

    •  I agree, IndyScott (0+ / 0-)

      I was struck by the last comment in the article: "It would indeed be laughable if democracy in America weren't at stake."

      I'm afraid that boat sailed about 6 years ago. I hope I'm wrong, but if the Reps win big in the upcoming mid-terms, no telling where this will go.

  •  Where's Farhad Manjoo? (2+ / 0-)
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    Not surprising to me that Farhad Manjoo was NOT the author of this article. I'm sure he has a rebuttal in the works that the Republicans always play fair and never try to supporess the vote or conspire to commit election fraud.

    Wanker.

    RULE OF LAW. That's all the reason you need to oppose Republicans.

    by nightsweat on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:19:48 AM PDT

  •  Does the DNC have a strategy for (2+ / 0-)
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    countering the Republican voting suppression techniques? It seems like we need more than a toll-free number to address these serious problems.

  •  So the 6 states are (1+ / 0-)
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    Ohio
    Indiana
    California
    Maryland
    Missouri
    Arizona

    Florida?

    Do all of these have Republican Secretaries of State and Republican majorities on the courts?

    •  the article said only one of the states had dems (1+ / 0-)
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      ..running the election:

      ...only one state has a Democratic secretary of state, and only one has a Democratic-controlled legislature.

      dem sec state:  missouri robin carnahan
      dem-controlled legislature:  california

      why carnahan wouldn't have a legit election, i know not.

      •  Robin Carnahan intent on legitimate elections.... (0+ / 0-)

        Clear to me, as Secretary of State, Robin Carnahan would be constrained by the laws enacted by the State Legislature and Administration Regulations dictating policies and procedures which also have been approved by the legislature unless either are set aside by the court system.

        Robin might have same leeway in interpreting the laws, policies, and procedures set out in the regulations as long as the court did not find them unlawful.  But it looks to me like she has attempted to make the requirements for voting registration and IDs clearly defined and published.

        At a glance it is quite easy to assure oneself that Robin has no intent to administer an illegitimate election in the State of Missouri.

        Following info included for clarification and to assist voters with registration and reqquired IDs.  Now we need to get the voters to the polls with IDs.

        Peace,
        PaintyKat

          Senate Bill 1014 - Missouri State Law

        Secretary of State Robin Carnahan wants to make sure your voice is heard on election day.

        Governor Matt Blunt recently signed Senate Bill 1014 into law which will require Missouri voters to present a valid federal or state-issued photo ID to vote in November.

        You will need to present a valid photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot on Election Day.

        [...]

        You can help make sure all Missourians can cast a regular ballot this November. Individuals and organizations can download the following guide that provides them with the information they need to assist others in obtaining a photo ID.

          Download the Guide to Helping Individuals Get a Missouri Photo ID PDF file

         Robin's stmt

        "As the state's chief elections official, protecting Missourians' right to vote and having their votes count is a responsibility I take very seriously. Please remember to bring your photo ID to vote in November to make sure your voice is heard."

        – Secretary of State Robin Carnahan

         Reg qualifications

        Registration Qualifications

           * 18 Years of age by Election Day
           * US Citizen
           * Missouri Resident

        No person shall be entitled to vote:

           * While confined under a sentence of imprisonment;
           * While on probation or parole after the conviction of a felony
           * After conviction of a felony or misdemeanor connected with voting or the right of suffrage

         Acceptable IDs

        Any of These Are Acceptable
        Photo IDs

        Missouri State Drivers License
        Missouri State Non-Drivers License
        Passport
        Military ID

        Unaccepted IDs

        Voter Identification Card

        Utility Bill

        Bank Statement
        Paycheck Stub
        Univerisity ID
        Employer ID

        Robin's Bio

        In Missouri, the name Carnahan long has been associated with public service. Robin Carnahan is continuing that family tradition by serving as Missouri's Secretary of State.

        Preparation for Service

        Robin grew up in Rolla, Missouri. After graduating from Rolla High School, she headed to William Jewell College in Liberty, Missouri earning a degree, with honors, in Economics. Her education continued at the University of Virginia School of Law where she served as Executive Editor of the Virginia Journal of International Law before receiving her law degree in 1986. She returned to Missouri and began practicing law with the St. Louis law firm of Thompson & Mitchell.

        During her time at the firm, Robin focused on business and corporate law.

        Promoting Democracy

        In 1990, as the people of central and eastern Europe began throwing out their oppressive Soviet-backed governments, Secretary Carnahan went to work to help rebuild their democracies and their economies. As part of a team from the National Democratic Institute, she helped re-write voting laws, train new political leaders and monitor elections in Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Since then she has worked in six countries to promote democracy and free elections. This

        unique experience has strengthened Secretary Carnahan's commitment to ensuring Missouri's elections are conducted in a way that is fair and accessible to all our citizens. Since her election, Secretary Carnahan has consistently stood up for
        voting rights for all Missourians, and she has worked to protect the integrity of Missouri elections by making it easier to vote and harder to cheat.

        Prior to holding public office, Carnahan also served as a Special Assistant to the Chairman of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. At the bank, Robin worked on innovative ways to help American companies increase the sale of their
        goods and services to buyers around the world.

        [....]

        Family Values

        Robin, a fifth generation Missourian, comes from a family long devoted to public service. Her father, Mel Carnahan served as Missouri's State Treasurer, Lt. Governor and Governor. Her mother, Jean Carnahan served as Missouri's United States Senator. And her grandfather, ASJ Carnahan served as Congressman from south-central Missouri and U.S. Ambassador, appointed by President John F. Kennedy.

        In a job that demands fairness, accuracy, judgment and integrity, Robin Carnahan serves Missouri well.
         Robin's bio link

        I donated to ePluribus Media. Support citizen journalism!

        by PaintyKat on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 10:56:59 AM PDT

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    •  Indiana (1+ / 0-)
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      bustacap

      Has a Republican governor and Republican legislature, but I don't know about the Court.

      According to DU, recently a quarter of names were eliminated from the voter rolls.  Even if all of them were legit purges, it stinks that it was done just before the election and by partisans.

      And surely they were not all legitimate purges.

      And I wonder how many will be affected by the voter id law?

  •  Winning Stae and Local Elections are the key (5+ / 0-)

    They are the gatekeepers.  Democratic governors, secretaries of state and attorneys general are opposed to any means to suppress the vote, not out of partisanship but because the broadest possible voting is part of what they believe.  The GOP only believes in maintaining power at the expense of Democracy.

    It may not help us in 2006 but watch those state houses and governors mansions and attorneys general go Democratic and then we'll have a 30-year cycle that puts things to rights, electorally.

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will watch the watchers?)

    by The Crusty Bunker on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:31:02 AM PDT

  •  some ideas? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    The Termite

    it would be interesting to see every music concert have a voting information booth ..

    Here's an idea to think about - get in touch with every music group that is performing, and ask them if a booth can be set up with non-partisan voting information.

    Contact your local town / city government about doing the same at fairs, other events ..

  •  C'mon, American Democracy isn't at stake! (4+ / 0-)

    American Democracy is fucked already. Our task is to un-fuck it.

  •  Not a troll here . . . but . . . (3+ / 0-)

    I am old enough to remember when the shoe was on the other foot, OK?

    All the things these GOoPers are doing about voter suppression, false counts, ballot destruction, etc. are wrong.

    However, in the old days, in the South, the Rooster at the top of the ballot was the controlling force.  That old-time, rednecked version of the party was a very nasty group--and far more dangerous than these cloth-coat rethuglicans.

    And, of another style, there was a time when the mayors of Chicago, New York, and Boston could deliver as many votes as were needed to offset the GOoPer votes in the "rural" areas of those states.  The old joke about "vote early and vote often" was a red flag to conservatives all through the 30s, 40s & especially in 1960.

    Wrong is wrong & mostly illegal.  However, let's not go totally sanctimonious on this issue.  Just do the necessary work to stamp out as much of the voter fraud as is possible--wheresoever found.

    Impeach. Convict. Deport. Indict. Imprison at the Hague--Milosovic Memorial cell

    by whl on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:46:24 AM PDT

    •  It's really not a partisan issue, (0+ / 0-)

      Any more than the war is, or than the attacks on the Constitution are.

    •  Not the same party -- the same party (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Geotpf, SherriG

      The Democratic Party now is not the Democratic Party of 1960.  In many ways, the Southern wing of the Republican Party now is the Democratic Party of 1960.

      The Northern big-city Democrats are a different story, but wrong is wrong and the fact that Democrats did it 40-50 years ago is irrelevant to the voting rights of citizens today.

      •  Not sure how to respond. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        SherriG

        You have compounded & confounded about 77 varied things in a couple of sentences.

        First, folks like Pres. Jimmy Carter & Sen. Sam Nunn & Sen. John Edwards, etc., etc., probably do quite accurately think that they are of the same party as Sen. Sam Ervin & Pres. Lyndon Johnson & Mr. Speaker Sam Rayburn.  And I think all of these folks would reference how their respective politics grew out of a tradition that included Gov. Huey P. Long, Sen. Claude Pepper, and former senator Mr. Justice Hugo L. Black.

        If you think that Sen. Trent Lott & Gov. Hailey Barbour have any connection, whatsoever (other than resembling homo sapiens), to Sen. Lloyd Bentsen & Gov. John  B. Connally, then contrary discussion by me is not going to change your mind.

        The point of my post is that Democrats & liberals & progressives should be careful in assuming a sanctimonius attitude about voter suppression, ballot box stuffing & voter fraud.  And the things done in the past are not irrelevant--ever.  The USA has not even existed long enough for any of its history to become irrelevant.  Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson probably did as much to extend the franchise as any American politician, AND the proverbial story is that he stole his original election to congress with a well-stuffed ballot box arriving a day late to a Texas courthouse.

        Vigilance is necessary to ensure universal suffrage, which should be the goal here.  I wrote that wrong is wrong, no matter which political party or in what era.

        Impeach. Convict. Deport. Indict. Imprison at the Hague--Milosovic Memorial cell

        by whl on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 05:12:31 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

          You're right.  I was really just talking about how the South went Republican because of civil rights issues.  You are right that racial issues alone do not define the parties, which are and long have been different.

          I agree that wrong is wrong, regardless of era, but
          I would also like to see proof of past voter suppression, ballot box stuffing, and electoral fraud before I allow Republicans to use it as a secondary argument -- "you did it too (not that we're doing it)"

          Not that you're doing that, and avoiding sanctimony is always good advice.

          •  Thank you, too, for the gracious reply. (0+ / 0-)

            I get a little bit snarky about the Southern Strategy cooked up by old Milhous.  I was alive & present when most of that 60s "stuff" happened, so it's not history to me.

            Even Gov. George Corley Wallace recanted in his old age.  Genuine Democrats, who recognize the basic "rights of man" will always come around to the right position when someone holds their feet to the fire.  As we are now learning, for any garden variety rethuglican it's only about the money.

            Impeach. Convict. Deport. Indict. Imprison at the Hague--Milosovic Memorial cell

            by whl on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 10:55:32 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  inundate all rethiglican... (0+ / 0-)

    offices in said states with calls for...

    accountability...

  •  also... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Karyn

    so the bastards can't track you...
    call from pay-phones...

  •  Republicans and Administration still in bed with (3+ / 0-)

    Diebold.  Where ever they can and where local control is under the Republicans; manipulation of the Diebold Voting machines will occur.  Just as discribed in Robert Kennedy's book.

  •  Not conspiracy Theory (7+ / 0-)

    so all you nay-sayers can just shut your yaps.
    Voter fraud is very much alive and well here in good ol' America. The less fuss made, the more they can push to expand it. If you want to stop it, first you've gotta give a flyin' fuck (sorry).
    Seriously. We spent 4 years of Republicans telling us to "get over" 2000, and others supposedly on our side saying "nothing to see here, stop being paranoid."
    Then in 04, the R's told us we were still paranoid, un-american, etc., and many on the left (including many here at Kos) accused us of being tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists.
    Well, dammit, your vote is being stolen and will continue to be unless you wake up. Stealing the vote doesn't just happen with machine fraud. It's knocking folks off the voter rolls without their knowledge, putting up roadblocks to delay them getting to the polls, not having enough machines so that folks have to wait in lines (sometimes 10 hours), etc.
    This is the most important issue we face. Without a fair vote, it won't matter how many people we get to the polls.
    I urge everyone to check your registrationj and be sure you're listed. Last time I went to vote (and we've voted in the same place in my precint since I was in grade school) they had a list that stated, "If your name is on this list, please see the people at the tables." Meaning, our town, in a blue state, in a blue district had people knocked off the rolls. Who knows, maybe next time it'll be my name...
    or yours.

    All Truth is non-partisan

    by MA Liberal on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:01:21 AM PDT

    •  Amen. Read and learn. Troll elsewhere. n/t (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MA Liberal

      "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

      by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:20:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  If the pubs do lose in November, (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      lgmcp, StrayCat

      they won't be shy about crying "election fraud".  Count on it.

      •  Boy ain't that the truth (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        bree, StrayCat, epppie

        They'll squeal like pigs.  Hope I live to see the day.

        Just like Lieberman lost "because of" all Lamont's "out of state money" in $50 amounts from individuals ...nevermind Joe's giant corporate contributions from out of state.

        The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function -- Edward Teller.

        by lgmcp on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:09:04 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Funny that - considering (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          lgmcp

          that Lieberman vastly outspent Lamont!

          They really are brazen.  One Bush-apologist aquaintance of mine constantly referred to Lieberman as Loserman - as in Sore Loserman - until it looked like Lieberman really was switching parties (which is what I would say he has done).

          Now that Lieberman really is, unquestionably, a sore loser, my aquaintance has revoked the title.

          I wonder if Lou Dobbs is laying the foundation for the Pubs to claim Stolen Election in November?  I can't say I know that much about Dobbs, but I guess I see him as primarily a Republican shill.

  •  States can 'slow down' the Office of VS- (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    epppie

    It would be an easy matter to leave states short staffed at their offices of vital statistics.  A slow clerk here, a lost request there, it has been difficult to get replacement birth certificates in Mississippi, for example since Katrina.

  •  CAn anyone tell me how to be a poll-watcher? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bustacap, gmoke

    I've looked everywhere on the net for help with no luck - not even the dem sites. I can call my local office (my next step), but shouldn't there be some sort of grassroots organizing to ensure that on election day we have folks who can drive others to the polls, as well as have those of us willing to volunteer be watching and logging problems? Even better, have a central office to take down info on voting problems.
    Anybody?

    All Truth is non-partisan

    by MA Liberal on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:04:37 AM PDT

  •  Election Integrity (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for posting this diary.

    Added the "Election Integrity" tag.

    Folks interested in this topic are pooling information at
    http://groups.yahoo.com/...
    and dkosopedia on Voting_Rights for further resources.

    Please think about volunteering to be a poll worker in your local precinct
    Serving_as_an_election_official

    Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at http://solarray.blogspot.com/2006/03/solar-video.html

    by gmoke on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:11:32 AM PDT

    •  Poll watching is one of the most important things (0+ / 0-)
      in any election. I've done so many times, to keep a record of who has voted so the local democratic party could call those who haven't and encourage them to do so, but in the process I've had to correct election officials who didn't know the law. Many were unaware that someone on the voter rolls does not need to present their voter registration card (just an ID, at least in Illinois); that if a voter fouls a ballot they can get another; that an illiterate or visually impared voter can have someone read the ballot to them; and that anyone who claims they registered but don't appear on the rolls can cast a provisional ballot (granted, getting those counted is another story). Poll watching is an important job. If you need more encouragement - election officials usually bring cakes, cookies, and all sorts of treats for the long day, and, whether in a heavily R or D precint, they almost always tell watchers to help themselves!
  •  A consequence of this .. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a gnostic, bear83

    is that we ought to especially redouble our efforts in States where Democrats control the electoral process.  For example, in North Carolina, where Larry Kissell is running against Robin Hayes (who continues to maintain that Saddam was behind 9/11), 2 of the 3 members of each counties' Board of Elections are appointed by Mike Easley, who is a Democrat.  I'm going to check through the list of the rest of the Netroots Endorsed Candidates and see just who controls the process in each State.

  •  Registration Packet - Links (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SherriG, StrayCat, epppie

    A good resource to forward and distribute is the actual voter registration packet from the US government. I was suprised that I had the coolest most rocking sexy-smart friends who hadn't bothered to register or update address changes when I asked.

    Follow up is essential to insure it has been processed after submission. I keep all copies of ours mailed, or submitted in a file. I prefer to drop the registration off in person, or mail it to my local election office.

    Registration:
    Rock the Vote
    League of Women Voters

    •  There's a very real danger too many 'smart' folks (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SherriG

      just don't care enough about our democracy. As if they can't be bothered, or have grown accustomed to not being aware. "If it's not a problem for me, it's not my problem" mentality is common among many of my "hip" friends, too. Wonder if that was true of the cognoscenti of pre-1938 Germany....

      "How did we steal 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006? We controlled the voting, and they didn't try to put a stop to it until too late. Sheep are easy." --Rove

      by Enough Talk Lets Get Busy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:23:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's worth asking your most immediate pals (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        lgmcp, Enough Talk Lets Get Busy

        If they have registered and making these items available to them even if they answer "yes."

        I found that some of my firends were afraid I would think them "unkewl" if they told me the truth...

        Under the pretext of finding their polling place I distribute the registration/voting information to them anyway.

        Merely wearing the "I voted" sticker gets me a lot of "Oh, I forgot!" and smiles, or comments on the day as well. I vote at poll opening because I'm usually there in the morning shift. I make voting day a visibly "Kewl" people day in my community. I go out "fancified" more than usual and ask people if they voted around the district. I listen to people and I smile and encourage them to go in, and help them find their polling place. I remind them to request a provisional ballot if any issues arise.

    •  Update: State Election Law Blog (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SherriG, 4Freedom, bear83

      Equal Vote - Law Blog - worth a click

      Excerpt:

      Today's letter makes clear that the DOJ's April 15 opinion letter was incorrect, and that voters are entitled to receive and to cast a provisional ballot, even if they lack ID. The new letter states that "HAVA requires State to allow voters who meet certain specified conditions the opportunity to cast a provisional ballot." Specifically, voters who execute a written affirmation that they are registered and eligible to vote are entitled to cast a provisional ballot.

      What this means in practical terms for the State of Arizona is that its proposed plan for implementing Proposition 200, under which provisional ballots would not be issued to voters lacking ID, does not comply with HAVA. As I discussed here, here, and here -- and as even the Justice Department now concedes -- it violates HAVA to deny those voters a provisional ballot. (Tova Wang has more on the Arizona law in this commentary.)

    •  The other day, (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SherriG, bear83

      when I went into the local bookshop (you know, the non-corporate one) to buy a copy of the Rolling Stone magazine that had the Robert Kennedy article in it, the young hipster at the counter actually mocked me for being a "bleeding heart" liberal concerned about election fraud.

      My God.  He's the one that could be cannon fodder in the next war of choice (speaking of "bleeding").  And he mocks ME.  I'm halfway gone.  If not more.  My dog really isn't in the fight anymore.  My future probably isn't at stake.

      •  you did talk to his boss about it... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        a lynn, epppie

        ...didn't you?  Don't let that shit slide, ever. Call him on it.

        -8.0, -7.03 don't always believe what you think...

        by claude on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:31:19 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  No, I wouldn't do that. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          a lynn

          His behavior would have to be a lot worse for me to go that route.  But what I did do is confront him on it, asking (I probably could have been nicer about it, but I was a little ticked!) for him to explain his attitude to me further.  I genuinely wanted to know more about what prompted his derision.  But, ironically, he chose at that point to retreat behind a sort of quasi-professional demeanor!
          Lol!  Orwell would have been proud.

      •  Yeah - some Repugli Youth only wear the outfit... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        North Central, epppie

        and when they peel away the acoutrement of shallow kewlness and style you're left with an Uber Slug of milk-washed proportions.

        Funnily enough these Uber Youth are highly susceptible to public opinion. Worth words like:
        "You're too cool not to wake up and get your head out of the Frosted Flakes!"

        "Hey, though, I like your shirt - nice!"

    •  Registration--for voters living abroad (0+ / 0-)

      Some 6 million Americans live outside the US.  Registering and requesting an absentee ballot is easy at www.VoteFromAbroad.org

      If you are related to or know any one among these 6 million, encourage them to register and to vote!

      Registering at this site, developed by Democrats Abroad and the DNC, ensures that the voter will also get the so-called "emergency" absentee ballot--the Federal Write-in Absentee Ballot (FWAB--don't you love those acronyms!) delivered to their e-mail inbox.

      Had enough? Register. Vote www.VoteFromAbroad.org

      by redstaterabroad on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 03:56:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  suppressing votes is a international sec. issue (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Boppy, Chaoticfluffy

    In an open society purported to be the global defender of democracy, that is currently waging wars under that banner, suppressing citizens rights to vote should be recognized as a national security issue.  It does us no good abroad to so brazenly undermine our own democracy while simultaneously singing the praises of, and installing, democratic forms of government throughout other parts of the planet.  This is the Information Age, heart and minds we are trying to win overseas must not be given this angry tinder.  This is very dangerous both domestically and globally.  We have to hold to the same principles that we profess to the world are the best principles to govern a society with if we are to be successful.  

    Otherwise, there is a huge bin of hypocritical leaders and states that started out with high principles and ended with disastrous distortions, that some are already ready to throw us into.

    This is America.  Cut the crap.  In Australia, it is UNLAWFUL NOT TO VOTE.  I think they have the right priorities.  We can learn from their example and emulate it.  There is great reason to do so.

  •  Heres a horrible idea (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Boppy

    watching the Dems sit on the voter suppression story for years it suddenly occurs to me  - they prefer being in the minority.

    The individual congressman and senator, with a 98% re-election rate, has job security. If they are the party out of power, they get no blame, just steady paychecks.

    Hell, most of them voted off on the Iraq war ("if you think we should Mr President, then OK").

    maybe THEY DONT WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY!

  •  Don't scoff... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Boppy

    ...but can we get Joe Lieberman involved?

    He still has a senate seat.  

    Someone with the ability to call a press conference should challenge him to introduce some legislation on this.

    Give him a chance to redeem himself...or show (even more of) his true colors.

  •  How about helping them get ID's??? (6+ / 0-)

    as part of a GOTV effort, thru outreach... if they're not registered AND don't have "valid" ID's, help them get ID's, THEN get them registered and to the polls...

    If we're willing to drive them to the polls, why not drive them to the  DMV/Post Office or wherever else they need to go to get ID's?

    If we're willing to contribute cash to campaigns, how about devoting some of that cash to a fund for those to whom obtaining a "valid" ID is cost prohibitive?

    George W. Bush... wiretapping the Amish since 2001...

    by ThatSinger on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 11:41:51 AM PDT

  •  People protested to end the Vietnam war, why... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Boppy, Enough Talk Lets Get Busy

    don't we do the same to stop all this crap? For beginners, we ought to enlist the leadership of those that brought out the millions of people for the Immigration Protests we saw earlier this year.

  •  Right To Vote Constitutional Amendment (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bustacap, bear83

    Is it time for a constitutional amendment preventing any public or polling official from surpressing the vote?  The proposed amendment if sponsored by enough Democratic office holders would get some attention.  Sure seems more important than a flag burning amendment.

  •  wouldn't be surprised to see issues in PA (3+ / 0-)

    As there were significant problems in 04 with Alleghany county and others in the Pgh area, and challenges to voters in minority dominated precincts in Harrisburg.

    Given Santorum's precarious position right now and all..

  •  It can happen anywhere (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bustacap, SherriG, StrayCat, bear83

    From The Advancement Project:

    More than half of Norfolk City's new voter applications have been rejected since the beginning of 2005. Advancement Project recently submitted a letter to Jean Jensen, Secretary of the State Board of Elections, stating that several current registration practices described to our staff by the City Registrar appear to violate the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) and state law.

    One of my employees worked on the voter registration effort in Norfolk, and the massive rejections were scandalous, affecting almost exclusively low income minority voters.  Aside from the obvious, a major problem is that people didn't know they had been purged until it was too late to do anything about it.

  •  Repubs Will Suppress Vote (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bustacap, SherriG, bear83
    You are all missing the most obvious, you don't need to rig the machines, you don't need to make it harder to register to vote. It is so easy, all the repugs have to do is make sure there are not enough voting machines in those districts that are known to vote Democratic. You all saw what happened during the last election, the lines of people stretching for blocks, waiting for hours to cast their vote. How many people just gave up, how many could take a day off work just to vote? Thousands of votes lost due to frustration, not disenfranchised. Republican districts always have plenty of voting booths, no waiting in line there. The same thing will happen again, you watch. If you want to make this election count then make sure your district has the voting booths and people to staff it. Otherwise we will all be left out in the cold and the fascists win again.

    "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think" - Adolf Hitler

    by ttwain on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:18:15 PM PDT

    •  it's up to candidates to demand... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SherriG, StrayCat, North Central

      ...that polling places having dificulties stay open as long as needed to let everyone vote, and to refuse to concede if there are any apparent irregularities with voting in any part of his district.  There need to be media teams at all polling places, and if these are harrassed, this needs to be documented. Goddam cameras everywhere, watching everything.

      I mean, really. Do I even need to be making this comment? Isn't this obvious?

      No wimping out, like last time.

      -8.0, -7.03 don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:37:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Media teams would be nice (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        SherriG, StrayCat, bear83

        But the MSM won't cover it if they don't believe it's happening.  That's not to say we shouldn't do our part to document such tactics (can't believe I have to even say that, here, in America...).  But even that won't be enough.  It assumes that those who wish to vote even get near their polling places, and most of the suppression tactics we read about are designed to keep the voter at home to start with.

        So what's left, besides massive GOTV efforts, is this:

        refuse to concede if there are any apparent irregularities with voting in any part of his district.

        It's gonna take spine to speak up.  Mexico seems to understand this.

        -7.0, -6.0 "...preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

        by North Central on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 02:01:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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          I heard on some radio show (Thom Hartman?) that the Rethugs are already planning on this very tactic.  Refuse to concede and fight tooth and nail in any and all close Democratic victories.

          ...and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness.

          by rlharry on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:53:51 PM PDT

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  •  Being born at home... (1+ / 0-)
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    is not necessarily a bad thing.  Yes, it is true, that decades ago poor rural blacks had no other option than having their babies born at home, but there was also a tradition of black midwives who served their communities ably and during the slave era midwives were able to spread news between plantations.

    Most women, barring more serious complications, are able to safely give birth at home and even today, with modern technology like constant fetal monitoring and epidurals, complications during labor are much more likely in a hospital than at home attended by an experienced midwife.

    I understand the point that because people were born at home they may not have a birth certificat, but please don't lump home birth in with the mechinisms of oppression.

    ePluribus Media - Truth be told.

    by Stoy on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:19:52 PM PDT

  •  I'm doing what I can... (4+ / 0-)
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    bustacap, 3goldens, SherriG, North Central

    I quit my job and am starting law school next week.  The school I'm attending has a special class in election law, so once I graduate I can start fighting these battles in the courtroom.

    So please do whatever you can.  This is a fight we have to win if we're going to win any other fights.

  •  Do like the Mexicans, (3+ / 0-)

    when there are more people in the street protesting than voted for the winner, voter fraud becomes obvious.

    God save king George, George W that is, our new American dictator

    by ERyd on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 12:27:45 PM PDT

  •  Important diary, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    Chaoticfluffy

    ...completely useless unless we can do something about all this.

    How can one get involved in stopping this? Are groups of pollwatchers being set up?

    Please could someone provide a list of practical things we can all do--ranging from things you can do at home to things you can do at the polling stations on election day.

  •  Just 6 states?...If only!.... N/T (1+ / 0-)
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    "When the going gets Weird...The Weird turn Pro". -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Blue Shark on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 01:01:10 PM PDT

  •  If the lack of a birth certificate is a problem (1+ / 0-)
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    StrayCat
    and a passport is a way around restrictive ID laws (though granted, an expensive one), you can get one with a baptismal record, hospital birth certificate, census record, early school record, family bible record, a doctor's record of post-natal care, and/or an affidavit by an older relative who has direct knowledge of your birth. Government documentation here. Again, a passport is not cheap, quick, or easy, and those who lack the necessary funds would obviously need financial assistance, but if you know someone who can't get a state ID because they lack a birth certificate, tell them to get a passport instead. I also concur with the general tenor of the thread - the need to go to such extremes is complete BS, and purging voters from the rolls is beyond reprehensible.
  •  Wouldn't be surprised (1+ / 0-)
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    bear83

    if they tried to pull that shit here in Tennessee too.  

    Since the Harold Ford Jr. campaign will really bring out the African-American voters, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Rethugs here tried to make it difficult for them to vote, especially because the way it's looking right now, the Christian Right voters won't turn out for Bob Corker.

    It's time for a New Generation of Leadership in Tennessee! Harold Ford Jr. for U.S. Senate 2006!

    by GoldnI on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 01:09:55 PM PDT

  •  Path to the Supreme Court (2+ / 0-)
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    bear83, Van Buren

    You all may remember the 1960s story in Arizona where a little-known lawyer named Bill Rehnquist made a name for himself challenging Hispanic voters at the polls. Ah, the march of progress.

    "One cannot be pessimistic about the West. This is the native land of hope." Wallace Stegner

    by Mother Mags on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 01:57:52 PM PDT

  •  Suppress the Vote Suppressors (1+ / 0-)
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    boofdah

    Recently as people were preparing for Yearlykos, the weasely penis-slapper Jeff Goldstein remarked that right-wingers should crash the party in Vegas with tire-irons and baseball bats.

    I submit that the same actions be carried out against anyone caught trying to suprress the vote.  A good solid beatdown.

    And before anyone jumps on MY ass about this, I do not subscribe to "turn the other cheek" or "don't sink to their level."  It's the GOP and the right which have shit in the sandbox, and turnabout is fair play.

    For that matter, diebold's voting machines should be vandalized and destroyed before they can steal another election.

  •  TrueMajority is signing up poll watchers... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and you don't have to be a member of any political party to participate:

    Volunteer for Change

    and click the blue button that says Sign Up

  •  Your title is a bit misleading (0+ / 0-)

    All Salon said was that these were the most critical states in which repbulicans were supressing votes. They didn't say that they were the only ones.

  •  we should all register as republicans (0+ / 0-)
  •  Hell with fair play (0+ / 0-)

    I say we have people on hand willing to fight for their country on election day walk in and spray these bogus poll watchers with mace. They'll be fine within an hour or so.

    Karl (Rove) is a shameless bastard. Small wonder his mother killed herself. -Larry Johnson

    by McGirk on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:03:41 PM PDT

  •  why aren't the Dems (0+ / 0-)

    making this issue number two...next to homeland security. Mobilize and make change happen for real.

  •  one of my (0+ / 0-)
    children was born at home but we had no problem getting a birth certificate shortly after the birth.   While I understand that not everyone shares the same experiences, I would think that an inability to get a birth certificate for a home birth would be the exception, not the rule.  I also think it's a good idea to verify citizenship. In my state, you need to verify who you are in order to get a D.L. but that doesn't keep anyone from driving, they just present the necessary paperwork and get on with it.

    People who have no hope are easy to control and those who have the control have the power. Neverending Story

    by choppycursur on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:11:29 PM PDT

  •  I guess the Salon article wasn't written by (0+ / 0-)

    Farhad Manjoo, who keeps arguing the 2004 election wasn't stolen.

  •  How many Senate/House seats are in contention (1+ / 0-)
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    bear83

    in these states. They've picked these states for a reason. Also, 2006 will be a trial run for the more extensive cheating in 2008. How many electoral college votes in these states?

  •  Clearly, this is what Rove is working on. n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Voter suppression? Color me surprised. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Boppy

    Except, you know, not.

    There are no issues when the election is rigged. There is no debate when the election is rigged. -- Kujo AAR

    by Mehitabel9 on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 03:57:44 PM PDT

  •  Well, in the future (1+ / 0-)
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    Boppy

    everybody will have this I.D.

    "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers." Ezkiel 25:17

    by Bulldawg on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 04:02:14 PM PDT

  •  Concerned about our senior citizens (1+ / 0-)
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    Boppy

    Our senior citizens as a voting bloc have been targeted a few times by the republican party;

    The republicans been known to call our senior citizens and tell them they're polling place has been changed.
    They have told our senior citizens election day has been changed.
    They have told our senior citizens that they have been disqualified as voters.
    Etc. etc. etc.

     I also heard a nasty rumor a couple of years ago that some of the democrats' senior citizens have been targeted by telephone calls where people pretend to work for pharmacies, Councils on Aging, Meals on wheels, Senior Citizens Day programs, and access a lot of personal informatiom from unsuspecting senior citizens; then they call back and the calls are positively abusive. Don't know if these rumors are true, but our senior citizens have been targeted before as a voter bloc before. I put very little past them. They are going down hard; the messageboards here will attest to that.

  •  I wonder if these citizens would have trouble (2+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, tryptamine

    registering as republican ?

    Perhaps if all the citizens in these states were to walk into their election headquarters and announce.."I'd like to register with the Republican party" they would have no trouble. Then vote a straight Dem ticket.

    I know that isn't the real problem...getting a State ID is, and that can be troublesome for many. Especially when those ID's cost money. Perhaps there could be a fundraising event that would donate the dollars necessary for these folks to get their proper documentation needed in order to register to vote. Maybe we need to get large groups of volunteers to go to these areas to help get these citizens registered?

    The very idea that any American would want to suppress a democratic vote is sickening. It makes me think of countries at the mercy of dictatorships.

    "There comes a time when silence is betrayal" Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Esjaydee on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 04:38:30 PM PDT

  •  Voting Rights Act (3+ / 0-)
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    tryptamine, bear83, java4every1

    This is why the Voting Rights Act should apply in ALL 50 STATES and not just the South.

  •  Arizona, California, Florida, Indiana, Ohio, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson

    and Missouri .. are there other states at risk?

  •  HAVA (2+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, bear83

    Help America Vote Act.
    Who is this America who needs so much help and gets so much help to vote on hackable electronic voting machines with no paper trail to make their votiing so much easier?
    How stupid is this America who needs all this help from a republican dominated congress that is responding to the theft of the presidential election in 2000 with legislation that is bound and determined to make it easier to steal elections?
    How much help does this America need if it can't see the degraded cynicism behind legislation that is named

    The Healthy Forests Act
    The Clear Skies Act
    The No Child Left Behind Act
    The Patriot Act....

    .... The Help America Vote Act. Was this America just born stupid or did it get stupid on purpose since being smart was just too goddamned much trouble?

    With the No Child Left Behind Act --  which has destroyed what little was left of our public education system, since capitalists don't need educated workers, and they are the American Successes with the power and money to control the supposedly democratic system that our so-called forefathers put in place -- we can be sure that stupid America that needs so much help voting is getting more stupid by the minute.

    Say goodbye to the cosmic illusion.

    by super simian on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 05:49:30 PM PDT

  •  Check this out (0+ / 0-)

    Implementation of the "Help America Vote Act" (or whatever the name of the law is) is headed by a dude named Buster Soaries (I think)

    AS I recall, Buster, a balck minster, was involved in supressing the black vote in scheme funded by Ed Rollins, that enabled Christie Whitman to win the NJ Governor's race.

    Does anyone recall the Ed Rollins comments on national TV (apologies issued) about "walking around money" having been organizd through the black churches to supress black votes in NJ?

    Well, the black minister that spearheaded this work was none other than Buster, who was Whitman's  Secretary of State (in charge of elections).

    Now this guy ends up working on national ballot reform? Are you kidding me?

    Please correct me if my facts are wrong - I am working off recall and have lost a lot of brain cells since then.

    But is anyone else concerned or writing about about this?

  •  All Too Predictable (1+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson

    for months here now I've been asking what the democratic party intends to do about the upcoming election scams, i.e. Ohio 2004.

    no response.

    since apparently the dem party isn't going to do jack shit about it, the only answer is democratic poll watchers in the states the repugs intend to rip off.

    poll watchers armed with cameras, video cameras, etc., to record the scams and then a massive lawsuit of some sort needs to be filed.

    "Peace is not the absence of war; it is a virtue; a state of mind; a disposition for benevolence; confidence; and justice." Spinoza

    by Superpole on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 07:30:53 PM PDT

  •  Why I am running for MA Secretary of State (4+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, rl en france, Mae, bear83

    This post highlights a major reason why I am running in the Democratic primary this year for Massachusetts Secretary of State.  As the lead counsel in the Ohio recount fight, I saw firsthand how low the standard can go with a secretary of state like Ken Blackwell in charge.  Until we reach the point of having a federalized system for our elections, it is up to the secretaries of state -- the chief elections officers in most states -- to set the standard of how our elections are to be conducted.  In the wake of Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004, we need pro-active leaders in the offices of Secretary of State to stand up and fight for our democracy and our right to vote.  As Massachusetts Secretary of State, I will work to build a coalition of secretaries of state from around the country which will take on the Katherine Harrises and the Ken Blackwells -- and demand our democracy back.  There are others running this year on a similar platform: Debra Bowen in CA, Mark Ritchie in Minnesota, and Jennifer Brunner in OH.  One key way to respond to this attack on our democracy here at home is to work to help elect a slate of progressive secretary of state candidates around the nation.

    www.johnbonifaz.com

  •  ID Issues Don't Just Effect The Elderly (2+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, bear83

    They effect me too.  I remember the hassle I had to go through in order to get my Social Security number in order to get my Learners Permit back when I was 16 (in 2004).

    I'm a US Citizen, I was born here, raised here, and have lived here my whole life (except for 3 summers in Italy).  It took me 3 months before they finally stopped sending me around in circles, and one of my female friends had a similar issue.

    Part of it's just beaurocracy, but another part of it is a malicious attempt to screw over the common man, women, and child.

    'Necessity' is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. --William Pitt

    by ChapiNation386 on Tue Aug 15, 2006 at 08:35:55 PM PDT

  •  Q & A (0+ / 0-)

    Q: So what are you guys about?

    A: We want to get Democrats elected.

    Q: Cool! We could use some more Democrats in office. So are you doing anything about voter suppression?

    A: Well, when it happened in Florida in 2000, we blamed Nader, when it happened in Ohio in 2004, we almost filed a lawsuit but decided to let Nader do it, and if it happens again in 2008, we're gonna really really truly file a lawsuit this time. Of course we know we can't win in the Supreme Court that selected Bush, but we're tired of people complaining that we don't care about their vote, so if the Republicans steal another presidential election, we're going to sue them. It won't change the election, but it might convince people to keep voting for us.

    Q: And what about the easily hackable voting machines that aren't properly secured and are being used in elections all over the country?

    A: What are you, some kind of conspiracy theorist trying to discourage people from voting? Get outta here!

    Q: Sorry, I won't do it again. But since you want to  get Democrats elected, may I ask if you actually donate money to Democratic candidates?

    A: Of course I do.

    Q: And do you "buy blue," that is do you totally boycott all banks, corporations, stores, and other organizations that donate money to Republican campaigns?

    A: Well, I guess I try to, sometimes, when I can, but I don't always have the time to check on every store or to shop where I want, and occasionally I might not buy blue.

    Q: Isn't that self-defeating? How can you help people get elected by donating money to them, if at the same time you are funneling money to their opponents through your purchases?

    A: This interview is over. Somebody get a mod in here and delete this post!

  •  election fraud (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson

    if they send their thugs ,why can't we be there in large numbers and be witness and play dirty if thats what it takes to prevent stealing the election lets anticipate and
    be there and fight--

  •  I believe it's more than suppressing the vote (3+ / 0-)
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    Blutodog, cotterperson, GN1927

    Whatever technique the GOP used in '04 to tilt multiple states to Bush, and resulted in the anomalous exit polling, we should expect to be used in every future election.  2004 was the trial run, but now we can expect less sloppiness in GOP vote fraud, and theft that is even more difficult to detect.  That is, assuming exit polls are even used in '06.  

    Dems will have to sweep into the house and senate with double-digit landslide elections if they are to overcome the fraud.  Even in such a landslide, we are not guaranteed victory.  The media will spin the outcome as legitimate, and the exit polls will be disregarded, or "adjusted" to reflect the "true" election outcomes.

    If the GOP have qualms about stealing a modestly close presidential election, why would they hesitate to steal an election that isn't so close?  All they need is an explanation that Americans will swallow; a last minute Osama tape, or perhaps a election weekend air strike in Iran.  Then the pundits tell Americans that even with several 12 point leads in the polls, the dems could pull it off because voters didn't ultimately trust them on "security issues".  Everyone will accept such an explanation, since it's the same one they've heard their entire lives, and they will go back to their daily routines, and the GOP will further consolidate its hold on power.

    The greatest conqueror is he who overcomes the enemy without a blow. - Chinese Proverb

    by Subterranean on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 12:30:58 AM PDT

    •  Sadly true (1+ / 0-)
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      cotterperson

      I agree that they've shown they will do whatever it takes to win and stealing elections wholesale with huge margins is not by any means out of the question. With the media firmly in hand and almost all of the country now voting on easily rigged electronic voting machines I fear it's already over. The only way left to us then won't be pretty and they're prepared for that also. I think we have to be ready for a real shock on election day.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:54:16 AM PDT

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  •  Florida (3+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, Mae, SemDem

    Here is the current voter suppression effort in Florida. Because of the onerous fines even the League of Women Voters are no longer registering voters.  There are no exceptions provided for not turning registrations. If  registrations were to be lost due to fire, hurricane, theft, etc., there will be a fine of $5000 for each lost  registrations. It would not take that many to bankrupt a non profit orgizanation.

    If a voter registration application collected by any third-party voter registration organization is not delivered to the division or SOE, the individual collecting the voter registration application, the registered agent, and those individuals responsible for the day-to-day operation of the third-party organization shall be personally and jointly and severally liable for the following fines:
    · $250 for each application received by the division or SOE more than 10 days after the applicant delivered the completed application to the third-party voter organization or any person, entity or agent acting on its behalf.
    · $500 for each application collected prior to book closing for any election for federal or state office and received by the division or SOE after the book-closing deadline.
    · $5,000 for each application collected which is not submitted to the division or SOE.

    Source:
    http://www.srqelections.com/...

    The present administration is rolling back the Great Society, the New Deal, the Enlightenment, and the Renaissance.

    by JohnInWestland on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:34:08 AM PDT

    •  Jim Crow 2 (1+ / 0-)
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      cotterperson

      The GOP is determined to win even if it means moving the goal posts after the game is over. They showed us in 2000 that voting is only part of the game. After 6 yrs. they've consoldidated their monopoly on most of the Nat'l power and the courts, media , military and big Corps. and I fear we no longer can count on simply voting them out anymore. It's called fascism folks and it's here now.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 06:58:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It will not stop with Jim Crow Laws (0+ / 0-)

        Not only are the Republicans trying to bar minority votes, they are trying to disenfranchise all who do not agree with them.  This is only the beginning.  Look for them to restrict voting to property owners as was once the case. Then raise the the minimum value of property required to vote so that only the wealthy can vote.They are trying to create a ruling oligarchy based on wealth.  I know we have not heard this yet but just wait for it.  

        "Remember, remember the fifth of November"

        by warprof on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 08:15:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Already have an Oil-garchy (0+ / 0-)

          I happen to know an ex.VP of Mobil oil just retired 3 yrs. ago. He's my mother-in-laws boyfriend, actually on a personal level he's a nice guy and we get along real well as long as we stay away from politics. The one interesting thing I remember him saying in a group was that America is now run by it's "owners" not the employees and that's the way he'd like to see it stay.He didn't say it with anger or arrogance though he just said it as a matter of fact. He was right of course and from his class view America doesn't need a Union either just employees happy to working for the company and not being uppity about it.

          "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

          by Blutodog on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 04:59:44 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Proof: In every single case... (0+ / 0-)

    In every case of this all over the country, whether its Blackwell in Ohio, or IDs in Georgia, or here in Florida...

    The Dems are trying to get MORE people to vote

    The GOP is trying to get LESS people to vote

    It's the only contant...

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